[melanie]

Originally Posted by melanie Austintorn and Profpat. Please stop babbling on about how drifter and i are repeating ourselves, and posting dribble and belief systems. What i am doing is no different to what you are doing, the difference is, i do not make comments about your postings. Please if you don't agree with anything, you do not have to read it, but do not judge people, or make covert fun. There are people who silently read this forum, and leave no comments. That's what it's all about, it is not about who has the overall theory of everything. So back off. Understand this...i do not exist. That means void. What exist is your belief. Every time you communicate , you are just talking to yourself.

And so just to prove my point.
This was lifted from my own thread, that i was commanded to start by Pat, because drifter and i were accused of Highjacking other peoples threads.

Profpat: In fact why do you and Drifter keep on posting your own belief systems so often? Are the two of you trying to somehow brainwash the members through constant repetitiveness of the same dribble? Please spare us from your enlightenment and attempting to remove the veil. We have all been exposed to what is at the foundations of yours and Drifters heart.

Pat What do you know of my heart ?

I'll tell You,
You see that what you first re-cognized in your own heart, which was reflecting back at you.

[sillysally]

Originally Posted by melanie Pat What do you know of my heart ? I'll tell You, You see that what you first re-cognized in your own heart, which was reflecting back at you.

More new/old age mumbo jumbo.

That is so not true, we don't reflect back what we see in ourselves. Some of us just call it as it is, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is duck. Doesn't mean we have duck in us, we just can't stand seeing Canadian Geese all over the place.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by sillysally More new/old age mumbo jumbo. That is so not true, we don't reflect back what we see in ourselves. Some of us just call it as it is, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is duck. Doesn't mean we have duck in us, we just can't stand seeing Canadian Geese all over the place.

Yes more mumbo jumbo, that's all it ever is.

Yes it is true we do reflect each others truths, for pat to know what is in my heart.
He first has to know it in himself.

He can not know something in my heart, unless he has first known it in his own heart.
For how would he know it otherwise in mine?

What you do not like about others, is first what you do not like about yourself reflecting back to you.

[G_burnett]

is this really what happens after we die? we suffer the continual babbling of no minds without a mute player switch? hmmm g

[sillysally]

Originally Posted by melanie He can not know something in my heart, unless he has first known it in his own heart. For how would he know it otherwise in mine? What you do not like about others, is first what you do not like about yourself reflecting back to you.

When a jury finds a man guilty of murder, it doesn't mean the jury has murdering tendencies inside them. It's called wisdom, weight and measure.

I don't think it is possible for you to understand this. I don't think Melanie can be put on mute either even though she has everyone else but Drifter (and those that agree with her) on mute.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Mel’s topsy-turvy heart

Certainly you have beliefs, notions, etc, posted in many places, such as in the ‘IS THIS a Dream’ thread:

Anger strengthens… — Melanie

…then the tree of anger breaks, felling Graybeard, one who befriended you, revealing his private messages, during your ego mad effort to 'get' Mikal and take her down, for she dared to comment on your trashing of Profpat or who knows what the angered ego reacted to—I can’t even keep track anymore as one ego outburst blends into another, to being banned and returning and then causing trouble again.


Anger blinds…

And oh, the fun Profpat captioning contest was so horrible, too. Isn't such display of ego one of the very thing things you are against in your non belief system.

So, these are your values, that your emotion of anger trumps your emotion of not hurting one and all even after prior apologies for the same types of offenses in which your felt that anger did not strengthen? Sounds half-baked, flipping between endarkenment and what you would have us believe is the way, direction, realizing, etc. that you otherwise post as the way to be and ‘see’.

I’ve no doubt that ‘enlightened’ ones laugh at others’ beliefs of duality or trinity, for such is the pride of their egos to do so.

Am ready for robotic response of "Don't talk to me", "All is Maya", "You don't get it", "I don't care", curses, or what have you as you have shown us…


Anger (your type) weakens…

— KIGs left after your obscenities to her. ToeQuest weakened. KIGs weakened since she is deaf and so the forums were a good means of conversing by sight for her.

— ToeQuest disrupted yet again.

— Less private messages to you since you reveal them. Now Graybeard thinks some don’t like him. AH, side effect upon side-effects from great strength of anger.

— Revealing picture of my penis. Thanks for the compliment.

— Anger antics got you in trouble and sowed problems among others.

— Less believers in your cause through association with ‘madness’.

What an ego!


Were you distracted by real life problems? Why? All are illusion, especially when we talk about our children or laws or feelings or Theories of Everything.

We have all been exposed to what is at the foundations of yours and Drifters heart. — Profpat

(note: Drifter has been fairly responsive and polite of late, suggesting, answering inquires. What does he think of the ego/anger display?)


“Who are you?”

“Who are you Mel that keeps asking and posting do this, don’t do that, why, why, why you do that when should do this. Why indeed. What a why’s gyno.”

Are 3 strapping boys just an illusional attachment to be attended to as if they were real? Stop that; attend to the One; all else has but the no-meaning of a random dream of nonsense.

Mel's non-belief system that is not one for those are enemies is like the plan and advice that "Anger strengthens the stalk…" but that is not a belief, just a strong suggestion to live by.

Do you engage in making fun by saying "pathetic childishness and ‘dummy’"?

I know, “‘you’ don’t care”, but perhaps that is why you rub people the wrong way, as ‘you’ say.

Walk like a duck, flap like a duck, shed water like a duck, and much out of luck in your conversations of monologs. Maybe you can replace Jay Leno.

Or “There is no control”.

Or “Who’s asking?”

Or do you need more baking?

Commands to believe ‘your way’ ignored, for I am not a sheep.

In case you didn’t notice, ToeQuest is a place for a dialog of ideas, not for ‘must do this’, ‘must think that’ repeated over and over with the same images and borrowed references of re-runs saying ‘Do this’.

So my brain is big, too? Another compliment.

X-rays of your brain just came back; they show nothing, not even English pudding.

Now, shall it be “Don’t talk to me” or “I’m not going to post here anymore”?

You are not genuine since you spout rules and commands that you feel free to break yourself.

Ever notice disruptions and controversy surrounding your posts that show your ‘heart’?

Maybe just say “Forget it” or "boring" when you can’t respond since it would show semantic nonsense, but you did that already, so maybe come up with a new way.

Your stock is falling. Better sell out.

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by Robert I probably haven't captured all the possibilities and there could be some overlap. For example, there could be a cycle of reincarnation in which you work out your karma, for example, and then transcend to a higher plane. Please try to provide a rational for your choice if you can. I think it is also possible to have two choices. One choice is based on reasoned rational thought and the other choice is based on emotion and want. Although I current lean towards the "Eaten by Worms" theory, I once leaned towards an afterlife and reincarnation. The countless stories of people who died and were revived, and then told very similar stories about what happened to them while they were dead, were very influential to me. You can't simply say that all those stories were fabrications can you? It would be interesting to know why these stories are so similar. Perhaps it's the way the brain is wired (by evolution perhaps) to operate as the body dies.

Hi Robert

Very interesting this poll and the way people are expressing themselves even to the point of "well, you wont have this happening or well you cant do this when your dead" and the response to it ...

The choice based on rational thought brings to mind Robert in the process persona does to reason things out there comes then an excuse manifest and not the truth. This those have not inside to absorb truth and reflect other then they are, shallow and empty.

The choice based on emotion and want comes from the failure of the human persona to be doing more then existing and wanting in the all strive for life even at the cost of ending the existing. They are the yeller and screamers falling off the cliff.

Reincarnation stories are hard to dismiss, one becomes as a child for the example and has attachments to childish things so a Monk goes and finds a child and the child chooses what will be the choice then thought of as the reincarnation spirit identity of the one that passes. Then there are the recorded next life living events later found. These may be the most hard to dismiss but for the capacity of the human mind to calculate on a level we can only dream of doing with the limited conscious mind we make use of and then in the diversity of life not diverse as much as we think it is the circumstances are found to the calculation. Strange as it may sound, thus is the best case of coincidence being manifest.

Then there is the duplication of lifelines. The circumstance of one finding all he had done, was done by someone one else even to nature of death. I have had this finding with a fellow three years in advance of my whole life, everything we could describe to each other … and then this manifesting with twins where one dies the same as his twin just a few years or months down the road … strange but true stuff.

Still though Robert I voted other. Being was the reason and how Being came about, creation by two. This rules out the death and eaten by worms because a part of you goes on and thus only the clumped form you are is eaten by worms and before this event there is indication of something else possible by the nature of form clumped and the energy in this clumped particle form we inhabit. Energy that has properties of interact by empathy seems to be the best in my mind description and marry to science with varied the theorem and in my own mind here.

~regards Graham

As to the after thought you have had to why the stories are so similar it is because we all have the same roots and same expression of self happening ... one does not express them self any different as profound as this may sound, just by degree, a whisper compared to a shout is not the degree I mean here. The wave is the same however it is expressed.

[mkirkpatrick]

We all seem to be getting lost here,can we all STOP taking others inventories and try and
stick to the thread subject,"what happens after you die"?


most grateful for yourkind attention.


regards michael.

[Mikal]

Originally Posted by G_burnett Hi Robert Very interesting this poll and the way people are expressing themselves even to the point of "well, you wont have this happening or well you cant do this when your dead" and the response to it ... The choice based on rational thought brings to mind Robert in the process persona does to reason things out there comes then an excuse manifest and not the truth. This those have not inside to absorb truth and reflect other then they are, shallow and empty. The choice based on emotion and want comes from the failure of the human persona to be doing more then existing and wanting in the all strive for life even at the cost of ending the existing. They are the yeller and screamers falling off the cliff. Reincarnation stories are hard to dismiss, one becomes as a child for the example and has attachments to childish things so a Monk goes and finds a child and the child chooses what will be the choice then thought of as the reincarnation spirit identity of the one that passes. Then there are the recorded next life living events later found. These may be the most hard to dismiss but for the capacity of the human mind to calculate on a level we can only dream of doing with the limited conscious mind we make use of and then in the diversity of life not diverse as much as we think it is the circumstances are found to the calculation. Strange as it may sound, thus is the best case of coincidence being manifest. Then there is the duplication of lifelines. The circumstance of one finding all he had done, was done by someone one else even to nature of death. I have had this finding with a fellow three years in advance of my whole life, everything we could describe to each other … and then this manifesting with twins where one dies the same as his twin just a few years or months down the road … strange but true stuff. Still though Robert I voted other. Being was the reason and how Being came about, creation by two. This rules out the death and eaten by worms because a part of you goes on and thus only the clumped form you are is eaten by worms and before this event there is indication of something else possible by the nature of form clumped and the energy in this clumped particle form we inhabit. Energy that has properties of interact by empathy seems to be the best in my mind description and marry to science with varied the theorem and in my own mind here. ~regards Graham As to the after thought you have had to why the stories are so similar it is because we all have the same roots and same expression of self happening ... one does not express them self any different as profound as this may sound, just by degree, a whisper compared to a shout is not the degree I mean here. The wave is the same however it is expressed.

Graham....its a strange thing but with NDE or as I call them In Death Experiences there is a shared affect or a commonality shared in which the fear of death disappears. I tried to figure that out and the best I could figure is that this experience is the experience of experiencing consciousness after death. What are your thoughts on that bro....


Mikal

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by Mikal Graham....its a strange thing but with NDE or as I call them In Death Experiences there is a shared affect or a commonality shared in which the fear of death disappears. I tried to figure that out and the best I could figure is that this experience is the experience of experiencing consciousness after death. What are your thoughts on that bro.... Mikal

Hello my thinking friend

You asked, ... The loss of fear is a learned bio function of the brain but i can not cite the article that reported the actual findings, some military use or funding not to long ago ...

I have said above that the NDE is just that, near death while still alive and everything else is the quantification to that event and in the inability of science to quantify life, that ... little ... before death, further the reason stories of a new life beyond happening ... time a man made thingy having no real bearing on the view ... or how fast the view, what may happen for one is what is called an infinite small moment, happens to others over what is called years, or a whole lifespan ... of near death experience ...time is meaningless to how near. IMHO Graham

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