"But once we understand this crucial distinction, we will attain a state of unpeturbable indiffence towards things over which we have no control. No evil,no injury, can touch us then; we will be happy whatever happens. Ruin, bankruptsy, sickness or death will not affect us; neither the death of someone close to us, of a wife or child, nor ones own illness and the knowledge that we will soon die, will be a source of sorrow. I can be tortured and sentenced to death, suffer hunger, abuse, slander or ridicule, yet I will not succum to sadness or despair; nothing can disturb my serenity. For it is not such things in themselves that give rise to resentment and enmity, but only my beliefs - my false opinions - about them. Once I cast off these beliefs I will be free, safe and content, whatever blows of fate befall me. Since I now that Destiny controls everything, I do not expect things to conform to my desires and whims, on the contrary, I want everything to just as it is, and am grateful to Providence for her gifts, even when those gifts come in the form of suffering, misery and death. I shall be like an actor on the stage, who must perform as well as he can a role written and allotted to him by someone else. It can be the role of a beggar or a king, it can be short or long - it doesn't matter; I will be content if I play it well. In other words, I must accept fate and praise it, whatever it brings, for I know that it is determined by the gods, in their goodness and wisdom. I will always be serene, although I will refrain from smugness in my superiority over others. This is called a life lived in accordance with nature."
Drift....your words are rather contradictory to the spiritual part of our journey. Indifference is not a principle of the spiritual...it is an element of a troubled man who turns his face from the complexity and plight of collective humanity.
The spiritual journey takes you into the heart and soul of every living expression of life so one can become empathically present with all things you have said we are to be indifferent about. Your statement makes you look to the reader as cold, insolent and uncaring in the face of all you speak of....
plus picturing me as ‘Orly’, conscience for right and wrong (I agree) but hardly preventing you from still “cursing the Gods, the world, and the people in it”.
You have recently resorted to imagining’s of another’s imaginings, but this does not cut it as evidence for your quest to discredit.
Before that, you claimed that PMs to Mel were anything but pleasant; actually, they were even extra pleasant.
ToeQuest provides an unalterable transcript—from which you cannot seem to draw any examples, thus the recent ploys and the continuing vague and general smears. Did you actually reread the recent ‘Mel incident’? She did fine after the outburst, even identify ego right away, and then detaching as suggested.
At least I always provide examples (see the transcript), but you seem to have none but the unknown imagined imaginings.
Your continuing offensive offense is but a cover up for your lack of defense—for things like your callings of “dog” and such on up that which you just received warnings for twice, are plain to see in the transcript. Let me know if you need more examples posted here. Your 4 downs are over, so you have to turn over the football. The offense went dry.
If you have been consumed with anger because not all agree with your ideas, then this could be part of the cause of the irrationality of your ongoing attacks and paranoid like suspicions.
The ‘me’ that you say you always liked hasn’t changed. You, too, have remained consistent as ‘you’.
Right Graham... Science can solve most problems... notice the fact that I have changed myself from 'Science can solve all problems' to 'Science can solve most problems'
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Originally Posted by G_burnett
whats this the 9 hundred and some thingy post?
The thread says if you vote feel free to post why you choose ... it makes no mind that one excepts it or not or because it is extensive, argumentative and full of s..t to you because there is no one here that is going to change there thoughts from a persona disclosure ... they may do it from self critique but not from the postings of others ... we are to marry this what after death thing to science it has to come from the thoughts of all no matter how profound or of the self absorbed ... death is a personal thing and we tell how we are pondering this event by how we are in life with beliefs ... better they are told then not ... and if they come out like preaching or maybe seen with alternative motive ... in such a subject ... I don't know ... the rule of no preaching does not hold when we ask for it or does it? If one reflects with the persona mirror all that he or she can not contain or absorb ... that is more then the tort then speaking what we ask for and getting it.
Personally I think the answer to the TOE in this thread has to come from science, the nature of things we have yet to discover a relationship to ...
It may lead into the study of helix formation and radiant energy release by the spin of the helix that every cell seems to have in MF events on the cell bio chem nature in reactions ... I do not see it here the thought at all and feel the question is a trick question ... and should read what happens after you die for the people that are still alive ... they continue on so if we did die to be eaten by worms the end finished ... why are so many still here? But I gave this ponder already ... lol
for ~unity! Peace! Graham
just posted over each other Dip .. I will try to get back to you tomarrow as it is late and i have to work in a few hours .. g
I hear u D.M. No need to apologize. The God I grew up believing in was a God I did not like either. He was this guy out of a book claimed to be written by him and the description of himself is not friendly and far from loving. My question to you is. Who is this God you dislike? There are many to choose from or none.
I consider the reason I hate god so much more to be an emotional than a rational reason; the reason is simple, he allows people to suffer and to die. I could be right; I think, it's rather likely I am unfortunately ; but I hope I'm wrong so much.
I'm sorry for being emotional, but I could be right.
There isn't really anything to see, to think I'm wrong. I see suffering in the world, I see death, I see war, I see hunger, I see illness, ... I see absurdity... senselessness...
Those are all things a god allows. And I don't see people going to heaven, I don't see spirits, I don't see a hereafter.
I can't stand it. It makes me so unhappy.
My problem is the fact that some people claim there is a god, or there is a hereafter, or there are spirits,
claiming is not enough for me to make me happy;
as long as I don't have proof I cannot be happy. Claiming there is a god, spirits or a hereafter without proof is nothing more than 'insanity' to me.
I consider life without a hereafter to be senseless. I think unfortunately it is that way; but I'm not sure.
I see that for one to hate God, one must believe in Him. Some some think that humans are of special creation they go on to believing in a hereafter, so, then they are stuck with a God as defined by legend and scripture, which were really just thoughts, too, from the sun god to Olympus to Jehovah.
But don't do this. Rather suppose that God MUST be all good and loving in His Infinite Perfection. Then, either He cannot be, or is aloof, but, one so purely loving could not be aloof, so… now there is no God to be pained at. Peace arrives.
What's left? Just the ultimate freedom to be, that's all, meaning really 'That is ALL', and certainly more than a vengeful careless unloving God could give.
Afterlife? Life is here. We are life.
Love? We are love.
What of the Cosmos, the universe, all that is? We are the Cosmos.
Let projections remain in the realm where they are born—the imagination.
I believe in the human spirit being good or evil ... it is a transferable state of affairs between the human persona .. the example of a good may be to pay forward to the next guy in line behind you when you see he is having a rough moment or random acts of kindness trendy TV stuff ... the example of passing an evil spirit is ultimately the killing of another for what he did and then finding out one in a hundred good executions did not make up for the one that was innocent ... like MF poles good and evil are found to be attractive in natural state of existence ... the MF does not effect the field just the matter is effected ... so how do you get rid of the evil spirit?
Do we want to? How would we know right from wrong if all was good? How do we know what is good if all is evil?
How would we know life from the mystery of death told to us?
One answer may be we never will until death do us part ... but then there would not be one in all of history good or bad I think that would come back to tell would there? When they might die in either spirit ... I mean how would we know life without the mystery of death? How would we know terrible death if we understood life and death (for the bad that does not come back) (and reason for the bad not to come back)... my vote has to be for a better state after death as a wise man would/ might deduce ... knowing for sure or not does not matter because the only ones that will is the persona with wisdom and this is a good persona or good spirit that knows it ... using not logic all the death in the world is a necessary state of the human condition "alive" ... Peace g
Since we can't know whither whence we came,
There would then be no paying for blame or shame,
So, again, life is a freedom to be—a gift, the same
As as if we believe that from Loving we came.
I consider the reason I hate god so much more to be an emotional than a rational reason; the reason is simple, he allows people to suffer and to die. I could be right; I think, it's rather likely I am unfortunately ; but I hope I'm wrong so much.
I'm sorry for being emotional, but I could be right.
There isn't really anything to see, to think I'm wrong. I see suffering in the world, I see death, I see war, I see hunger, I see illness, ... I see absurdity... senselessness...
Those are all things a god allows. And I don't see people going to heaven, I don't see spirits, I don't see a hereafter.
I can't stand it. It makes me so unhappy.
My problem is the fact that some people claim there is a god, or there is a hereafter, or there are spirits,
claiming is not enough for me to make me happy;
as long as I don't have proof I cannot be happy. Claiming there is a god, spirits or a hereafter without proof is nothing more than 'insanity' to me.
I consider life without a hereafter to be senseless. I think unfortunately it is that way; but I'm not sure.
Dave....when I was only 61/2 my dad suffered and died....I told God, thats it you took my Dad to be with you, now you gotta be my Dad....call it the belligerence of a child....
I see suffering in the world...I allow myself compassionate moments, death always takes me into the love I shared with a person...yes there is war, it comes from greed for power but why blame God, we hold the guns, we tell one another it is in that moment we are enemies but only for war....which is for domination...I see hunger...I share my food...I see illness...I have held the sufferings hand.
We are love....our soul is energy...energy cannot die....
If the All Loving All Knowing God made our human nature full to the brim with our living wine, he would have known and approved, for E makes no goofs, that the glass could tip and spill in the name and worth of adventure of living and searching in our being created exactly as E wished it to be for our freedom in the ultimate giving of His Love, so, still, free to be, even to invent a stern and wicked God that parallels the family experience here on Earth.
I consider the reason I hate god so much more to be an emotional than a rational reason; the reason is simple, he allows people to suffer and to die. I could be right; I think, it's rather likely I am unfortunately ; but I hope I'm wrong so much.
I'm sorry for being emotional, but I could be right.
There isn't really anything to see, to think I'm wrong. I see suffering in the world, I see death, I see war, I see hunger, I see illness, ... I see absurdity... senselessness...
Those are all things a god allows. And I don't see people going to heaven, I don't see spirits, I don't see a hereafter.
I can't stand it. It makes me so unhappy.
My problem is the fact that some people claim there is a god, or there is a hereafter, or there are spirits,
claiming is not enough for me to make me happy;
as long as I don't have proof I cannot be happy. Claiming there is a god, spirits or a hereafter without proof is nothing more than 'insanity' to me.
I consider life without a hereafter to be senseless. I think unfortunately it is that way; but I'm not sure.
Descartes walked into a pub, someone offered him a drink and he said "I think not". . .then he disappeared.
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