It is a great age,and it will get greater,then it will return to obscurity again
as it has always done,an outbreathing and an inbreathing a endless cycle.
Which is but a blink of the eye of the Absolute!
kind regards michael.
__________________ Humilty,coupled with boldness,surprises truth to
reveal herself?
Sub;
You have yet to show us what you have to offer. Keeping your word is important to integrity.
How can I have anything to offer? Afterall, you don't believe that I do. You told me I wasn't smart enough to have formulated the TOE, and I believe you Dave. I believe you because I believe that people are honest. So if you believe that I am dishonest, then I must be dishonest, so that you won't be a liar. I'm just trying to save your face, uphold the integrity of everybody else's word, in hopes that they will uphold mine. That's how giving I am. If you believe that I have no integrity, then I will not, even cannot have integrity. Whatever you think, is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you think I'm an idiot, then that is what I will forever be, and obviously an idiot can not keep his word and does not have integrity, and does not know the "Theory of Everything."
Good topic Robert,one that I have been thinking about for many years now.
for me the universe is within an endless cycle of birth and death,(obscuration)these cycles for me are from the Bhagavata Gita,which I accept
as the most accurate,and have been known and in print for at least five
thousand years!!One complete cycle is 311,040,000,000,000,years,the in-
breathing and outbreathing of Brama,the outbreathing represents the
manifestation of matter and form=energy,the inbreathing represents the
gradual obscuration of all matter,and is re-absorbed back into the one!
Fine state of affairs!
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Originally Posted by dleviwing
When the standard model states that there was NOTHING before the big bang event, it infers that there was not even a place for existence or the universe to reside in. In this definition, NOTHING is an ABSOLUTE. If you interpret "THING" to mean a physical entity only, then nothing simply means an empty place.
The best explanation of definitions!
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Originally Posted by subversion
Doesn't everybody agree that dleviwing should be my friend?
Come on everybody, back me up here, I'm trying as hard as I can but everybody is just standing by in silence. Robert? Michelle? Guille? Mkirkpatrick? Harmony? Lloyd? Antonio? Baudrunner? David Maes? Mr. Nobody? Zeroca? Mohan? HBD? Tiny Tree? Mike 5? davidgow? Dustin? SinJin? Force5? Omni? Tornado_Sun? Happy the Stripper? Quanta 7? undef? Volantis? Socratus? david44? chazzysaw? planet bob? simple kid? and everybody else who cares about the quest.
-sub
I agree, if it makes any difference… I read this post today and as my name was mentioned, I anyway replied, but it’s too late for reply. Dear sub! You mustn’t care about other people’s opinion and you should receive any offence calmly, especially from elder people; but it doesn’t mean that you should offence them in answer, but if you do, you should stay upright until the end and never apologize… Once a judge who unduly sentenced me to 7 years imprisonment, after 10 years was met by me in the dark street. Somebody would have all chances to revenge. When I looked at shivering old man with bent head, I turned round and hurried away, wondering, why he was so scared if he believed himself to be honest 10 years ago... I never thought that you were bad fellow but everybody isn’t me, and you should settle accounts with authority of this site. Just be polite beforehand, it’s much easier…
As for the thread: Great thread! I voted for “it has always existed”, but I’d like to repeat my belief, considered by majority as metaphysical: 1. According to me “big bang” is creation of universe from nothing; 2. I call “big annihilation” turning of universe into nothing again; I call such state interruption of existence of universe; “big bangs” alternated with “big annihilations” infinite number of times and I don’t think it’s important when it was born last time… As interruption doesn’t last within time, so the previously existed universe at once turns into following one so generally I think the universe (maybe with interruptions) has existed permanently…
Matter can not be destroyed. It may be changed by different means ex. ( burning, breaking down of the molocular bonds to it's pure atomic state ect. ), but it will always be accountable in regards to it's overall weight,( the sum of it's parts), in a normal state of gravity. It's weight may change relitive to gravitational varribles.
Therefore, it is my firm belief that "all" matter in the known universe has been here from the "begining',with the execption of inter dimensional transferance. The later has not been proven as of yet.
Welcome Brian to the toequest community,greetings from the UK to you,I agree with
what you have stated,matter is as old as the universe is,which is far older than is currently believed to be,
regards michael.
__________________ Humilty,coupled with boldness,surprises truth to
reveal herself?
Steady State - reinstated via the expansion of matter with space.
__________________ (George Berkeley, 1710) ... lay the beginning in a distinct explication of what is meant by thing, reality, existence: for in vain shall we dispute concerning the real existence of things, or pretend to any knowledge thereof, so long as we have not fixed the meaning of those words.
"All things come out of the one and the one out of all things." - Heraclitus "Reality is an illusion - albeit a persistent one." - Einstein "Particles give me a headache." - Ibid
There must be some physics that we don't know about yet. If there is something in the missing physics that defeats entropy, I think it is responsible to speculate that time has always existed, that entropy has always been defeated by physics, and that the universe has always existed.
I always thought the universe as a collective is independent of space-time, therefore age which is a quantity of time elapsed from the beginning is not applicable to it.
Best regards
Zelta
__________________ "Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life"
"But although all our knowledge begins with experience, it does not follow that it arises from experience."
"Happiness is not an ideal of reason, but of imagination."
although i answerd less than 13.7 billion but the more i think about it the more confused i become
you see we as a the human race created the definition of time itself without some form of clock or timer we would just know day and night therfore surely time began when WE created the means to tell it
can we really measure such huge timescales or is it all just clever guess work?
this may sound a stupid comment but the idea of time 'existing' is something that has puzzled me for years
im only 24 and ive had no college or uni experience so pls excuse my somewhat simple thoughts but id really love to hear others ideas on this subject
if you blink you will miss it. 
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