[Mohan.C]

I really don't know where to put conciousness. Conciousness is the driver of the animals or any other living thing. But I will not say other things do not have conciousness. But it is crafted by an Intelligence. If conciousness is being alive then conciousness is emergent. Being to be is expressive. Life is something which shows itself in us who without life are dead.

[ema]

hi all..
its really hard question about definition of conciousness..because its something you feel and use without presettings..




I notice that you foucs on on consciousness for animals, dont you think it is basic sence for human too?
although we cover it by civilization assumption..

we save several memories through our life, and by any outer affect this consciousness slip away and make us more watchful ...

its a gift from god as i see,, for all creations..

By the way, why quote not active for me??

Sorry again for my terrible language!!!

[Mr. Nobody]

Emergent, and may I add that the high level, self aware consciousness experienced by man may be a fluke of evolution. The arrow of progress points towards group organization, and as such it may have been necessary to develop the flexibility of individual awareness (with the detremental consequence of knowledge of death) But just look at ants and how successful (perhaps even more than human) their evolutionary path has been. Their group thinking reigns totally unopposed to create a structure, the hive, to which all and everyone is subordinated to, to which every individual ant owes their existence and would die without. Who is to say that the hive does not possess a degree, or enjoys a level of consciousness....

[Mohan.C]

Originally Posted by ema hi all.. its really hard question about definition of conciousness..because its something you feel and use without presettings.. I notice that you foucs on on consciousness for animals, dont you think it is basic sence for human too? although we cover it by civilization assumption.. we save several memories through our life, and by any outer affect this consciousness slip away and make us more watchful ... its a gift from god as i see,, for all creations.. By the way, why quote not active for me?? Sorry again for my terrible language!!!

I focus on animals because humans aren't not yet completely concious of the conciousness. Or accepting the role of conciousness. But animals do they go the way their conciousness take them. But Humans craft their life by intelligence. Or live with a disguise, because they do not want to go for subordination. Subordination to their own will!! It is the way we choose even me and they all are ways to reality as they are all with or without your knowledge driven by your will.
Language isn't everything don't mind your language. It is acceptable as long as it makes sense, even if it does'nt we can give a sense I mean the one's who read it.

[theunify]

Originally Posted by dleviwing What is a good test for consciousness? Try to think back to when you first became aware of your existence – How old were you? Your first memory is the beginning of the emergence of consciousness. Michael’s example is also good.

I remember my first word, "hot", at 2 years, my parents would say "hot" "hot" as I would investigate the woodstove, I'm 22 years old today, so that makes my mind 20 years old. Finally my mind is no longer teenaged!

[mkirkpatrick]

Consciousness is the great awakening into the realization of being a living being,and having a sense of being alive and knowing that to be so,the beginning of the I AM
recognition!



regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by Robert I'm curious how to classify consciousness. What do you guys think?

PHENOMENON: (3) Philosophy. something known through the senses rather than through thought. Consciousness is not phenomenon.

Consciousness is the spiritual awareness of being, of all-knowing, all-power, and all-presence.

Consciousness which is Infinite cannot be known by the senses or by thought because consciousness is static or stillness while the senses and thought are motion or illusion.

Consciousness being Infinite can only be known by the attention (its outer expression) reconnecting to its source the soul within us.

When our awareness (i.e. the focus of our attention) is separated from the physical-material universe and reconnected to our third or single eye we experience our consciousness as the Infinite Pure Coherent Light -never seen on land or sea - i.e. the Light that ligheth every man that cometh into the world.

Coherent light does not exist in nature it is created by man as laser light which produces holograms.

[austintorn@aol.com]

I FOUND OUT WHAT CONSCIOUSNESS IS—IT’S THAT ANNOYING TIME BETWEEN NAPS!


But really, here are some ideas about consciousness that I thought about:


— What’s Left? —

In identifying consciousness,
We often confuse what is floating in
The stream of consciousness with the water itself;
Thus, we note not the sea in which we “see”.


— Being —

How is conscious reality real-ized?
What directs the “spotlight of attention”?
Who’s the “silent witness” that can do none other?
Who is the knower that does the knowing?


— Who Am ‘I’ —

‘I’ equals ‘awareness’ of the mind’s state,
But, who or what, then, is this ‘I’, observing,
Which is all ‘I’ can do, transcending space,
Could it be the Ground-Of-All-Being itself?


— Awareness Explained? —

Awareness can never be an object
Of observation because Awareness
Is the very means whereby we observe.
We can’t “see” Awareness since we are it!


— Objection! —

We can never really understand Awareness,
A subject, because it’s not itself an object
That we can be aware of—for the only tool
We have to use on it is Awareness itself!


— ‘It’ Needs Something to be Aware of —

Since the ‘I’ of our Awareness, that can but
Observe the mind’s content, is not what it sees,
It is the universal subject, a soul
Of unperceptive immortality.


— The Illusion of the Self —

In consciousness, there’s no distance between
The thing observed and what is observing.
They are, perhaps, one and the same, and so
It is that we seem to have a self.


— ‘I’ Exists? —

‘I’ am not this body—or even this thought,
For ‘I’ am a part of space-time itself,
Although ‘I’ require a mind/brain to “look”—
For this, indeed, produces what ‘I’ look at.


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— Who or What is Looking? —

The “Soul” of our Awareness is a basic
Property of space-time that can but observe
The “self”—the contents of the brain—that is,
The portion that’s currently on display.


— The Fabric of Space-Time —

Being is to doing as ground is to figure,
As subject is to object as essence is to existence,
As Awareness-Consciousness is to mind-brain,
As the ultimate simplicity is to the composite.


— Seeing All —

The connectedness of everything to everything—
A rudimentary perception in and of itself,
Experiential in its ultimate physical disposition—
Facilitates our consciousness of interior and exterior.


— Consciousness Really Explained —

Consciousness mediates thoughts versus outcomes
And is distributed all over the body—
From the nerve spindles to the spine to the brain—
The way to actionize without moving.


— Present Time and Past Space —

Mind and matter are made of the same stuff,
That substance made only out of itself.
Mind experiences the present moment;
Matter records the present from the mind.


— The Minding of Time, the Matter of Space —

That is, Present Mind, Past Matter, combine
The frames of Space and Time into the film
That lives and plays in us as Consciousness,
Mind taking Space and Matter doing Time.


— Absolute and Fundamental —

Yes, mind/matter stems from the Eternal
Substance/Space-Time/Experiential Being.
For life’s great riddle of Oneness is that
Mind really Matters; Matter ever Minds.

[baudrunner]

Interesting that over the 2 years that the thread has existed the majority believes that consciousness is fundamental. Not that many votes, mind you. And the emergent option is somewhat ambiguous - emergent on the evolutionary scale or emergent in the growth cycle of a sentient being?

Consciousness might be relative. A tree might be conscious, and cognizant in its own way. Its senses would be unique to the non-mobile state of its being and to all the beings in the plant kingdom. It is alive, after all. Does a pig know that it is tasty, and bred for food? I think, probably. They are aware. Consciousness is guaranteed to emerge in any living organism, I figure, and the potential for it always exists. The million dollar question is, did consciousness exist before the first life evolved in the Universe? The potential for it certainly did, it always did. Does potential guarantee manifestation? If so, then I would have to say yes, consciousness existed before the first organic life evolved in the Uinverse and we are merely its embodiments. After all, we are only analysing this thing from within the context of our own being. It would be premature to suggest that all consciousness must follow the pattern established by our own expression of it.

[RascalPuff]

There are an indeterminate number of categories and answers to this complex question.