[Robert]

This has become a very politicized and emotional topic for many so let's not get carried away here. Try and stick to the facts and let's not bring Al Gore into the discussion.

This is an anonymous poll.

[Mikal]

Robert...how can we be certain that global warming is man-made when science has created programs and systems like HAARP and others where its well known that science now has the potential to manipulate the earth's magnetic field? The Layton site is sponsored by a scientist's son and explains the complexities and possible dangers of the program. On top of this are the views of some scientists that global changes are natural to the earth while others claim it is man-made. Beyond this is our own natural folly to disrespect the earth for aggrandized material needs and global financial profit. With the kind of information glut that saturates the media it is very hard to find a comfort zone with the entire issue of global warming.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Fluid Energy Theory (FET) by Jimbo shows more natural than man-made causes for global warming, such as why heating and cooling cycles alternate, so I guess whatever will be will be, either way, a both seem to be unstoppable.

[sillysally]

If we can have ice ages, we can have hot ages. I thought, according to science we are at the end of an ice age???

I think it's a natural process the earth goes through and man has nothing to do with it.

[timeparticle]

Originally Posted by Robert

This has become a very politicized and emotional topic for many so let's not get carried away here. Try and stick to the facts and let's not bring Al Gore into the discussion.

This is an anonymous poll.

Gore...Gore...Gore. I brought him up. Just fooling around... If you check out the sights on Ice Age cycles in the last million years or so, you might find many different things affect warming and cooling trends throughout our history. Most climatologists say that the last ice age ended about 12,000 years ago. The warming trend we are now in was expected to cycle slowly back into the next cooing trend. These short, medium and long term ice ages are affected by slow wobbling movements from earth's axis rotation, small and slow shifts in earth's orbit around the sun, and slow shifts in earth's angle to the sun over many years. They can predict these trends pretty well. In 80 years time, the Amazon Basin may be dried up like an old prune. The rainfall there will only fall over the oceans, not over the Andes like normal, as there will be a shift in ocean and air temperatures to prevent this. No more rainforest means bad things happen, very quickly. The CO2 levels are way above anything we had before, according to the data taken from ice fossil readings. Global warming and global dimming are affecting climate and water evaporation like never before. We were not good to our environment. Maybe, If we take some giant leaps in tech... like TOE, we can solve this.

[timeparticle]

Originally Posted by sillysally

If we can have ice ages, we can have hot ages. I thought, according to science we are at the end of an ice age???

I think it's a natural process the earth goes through and man has nothing to do with it.

Sally has cool hair.

[mkirkpatrick]

As I see it you cannot cut down millions of square acres of virgin rain forest each year
and not have any knock on effect,it just is not possible,I do not think mankind is wholly
responsible for global warming,but certainly partly responsible.



regards michael.

[leskey]

Originally Posted by timeparticle

The CO2 levels are way above anything we had before, according to the data taken from ice fossil readings.

Yes, well you all know what I think about Al Gore AND the "global warming" fraud.

For what it is worth (in regard to accuracy) this is from Wiki for you tp:


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This figures shows estimates of the changes in carbon dioxide concentrations during the Phanerozoic. Three estimates are based on geochemical modeling: GEOCARB III (Berner and Kothavala 2001), COPSE (Bergmann et al. 2004) and Rothman (2001). These are compared to the carbon dioxide measurement database of Royer et al. (2004) and a 30 Myr filtered average of those data. Error envelopes are shown when they were available. The right hand scale shows the ratio of these measurements to the estimated average for the last several million years (the Quaternary). Customary labels for the periods of geologic time appear at the bottom.
Direct determination of past carbon dioxide levels relies primarily on the interpretation of carbon isotopic ratios in fossilized soils (paleosols) or the shells of phytoplankton and through interpretation of stomatal density in fossil plants. Each of these is subject to substantial systematic uncertainty.
Estimates of carbon dioxide changes through geochemical modeling instead rely on quantifying the geological sources and sinks for carbon dioxide over long time scales particularly: volcanic inputs, erosion and carbonate deposition. As such, these models are largely independent of direct measurements of carbon dioxide.
Both measurements and models show considerable uncertainty and variation; however, all point to carbon dioxide levels in the past that have been signifcantly higher than they are at present.

[Hucknallite]

Most environmental arguments are made not for the sake of the planet but as an attack on the Western political system. The objective is not to save the planet but to change the way the political system works. To this end any argument will do, and data which proves the environmental case is exaggerated whilst the contrary stuff is brushed aside.

The fact is the earth can look after itself. The earth is in no danger. If we are responsible for climate change then we will end up killing ourselves. The earth will then get back into its state pre mass human population days.

Human beings having an effect on the planet is quite understandable. There are 6 billion of us at the moment and estimates consider this to be doubled in the next 20 to 50 years. Everyone expects to maintain their current living standards and for the majority of the worlds population they expect a significant increase in living standard. Something has to give. The one thing we can be sure about is it will not be the planet that breaks down, at least not in any long term permanent way.

[Mikal]

As a follower of world and cultural history, our present world political system reminds me how we have not really changed...Caesar had his collesium worshippers... now political leaders have their pedestal with the media and of course the numerous castles, white houses and mansions they live in as the masses continue to find devotion with the rulers appointed to govern for the people as they covertly govern against the people....history seems to like to relive itself so it can constantly attempt to jar us into common sense....



Mikal