[Guille]

I start this thread to see the basic parameters of how we, TOE researchers, think that the true, final, correct and unique TOE will be.

Basically, choose a kind of study that is the way in which the TOE should be based (ex: antropology, chemistry, ethics...). Also state if you want a short, very short paragraph about more preciselly what should be studied (the areas of the study you choosed).

If your ideal TOE doesn't enter in any of my poll options, then vote "other" and post about it. I have made votes public and decided that you can choose more than 1 option, but please only do it if you are very sure of either that the TOE could be any of the options that you choosed, or a mixture of the options you choosed (if it's this one, explain it with a post).

May the force be with you.

[Guille]

I voted that the complete unified theory of everything should be based and done on physics because of three main reasons:

1. It was physics/physicists that gave the concept of TOE and explained what should be done to achieve it.
2. Because if there is only one study to use, it is physics that is the bigest one, and is more probable to manage better the idea of TOE.
3. Physics is the only kind of study that has the three main and best parts of developments that humans have created: the scientific method, the mathematical application, and, finally, tjhe philosophical considerations.

For these three, and for that the five cornerstones of the TOE (cosmology, forces, matter, energy, quanta) are parts of it, I defend-propose physics for the basis of the theory of everything.

[dleviwing]

Guille;
Our scientific methods and mathematical applications are doing well in physics today. The interpretation of these terms into a philosophical paradigm is what we need to complete the TOE. The paradigm must be such to explain the obvious misinterpretations of the mathematical terms of our gauge theories (QM & Relativity). What are the absolute minimum fundamentals required to form our universe and all that we observe.
The TOE is a philosophical paradigm. The TOE paradigm will easily allow us to recognize the errors of current interpretations and give us a true concept of "CAUSE-AND EFFECT" (the holy grail of physics).

[Robert]

I chose biology mainly because our biology seems to limit our ability to see reality objectively. Overcoming our biology, which would appear to be impossible, becomes the basis of the Theory of Everything.

We evolved in an environment that allows us to operate within a very small range of reality. We operate in the realm of seconds where reality spans from planck time to billions of years to possibly the absence of time. We hear and see within a very narrow band of frequencies compared to what is available. We operate in a gravitational field of 1G where the effects of space-time warping is negligible. Reality consists of so much more than what our senses indirectly tell us. Indirectly because of all the signal conversions and transformation by brain processes that take place before the signal ever reaches the part of our brain where they can be interpreted. And our interpretation is based on so many other factors--hormones, neurotransmitter levels, genes, conditioning, education, conscious state, etc--that the way we interpret those signals is highly variable and suspect. What other senses are we missing and don't even realize it. What are the objects behind our perception of them. It would seem we live in a world of illusion and don't even know it.

I think our only chance to overcome our Biology is if there is a mind component, that is separate from our Biology, and can operate independent from it, yet control it to an extent. Although, I think this is unlikely, I remain hopeful.

A further clarification... perhaps physics is the basis for the TOE as far as its ability to make predictions. However, I believe biology is what must be overcome to understand and appreciate what the theory says about the structure of reality. A complete Theory of Everything must be able to explain all of reality without exclusions.

Regards,
--Robert

[tornado_sun]

As you my mates mentioned of the ways of finding and also searching to get an overview of what the TOE might be,I'd like to give some of the ideas in science , the metaphisical section of philosophy , religion , and also public look .How our target,TOE,will be is a really sophisticate and complex statement in the daily science we've got from our ancestors of Physics,Mathematics,etc.
We,when seeking a grand ming to solve the issues of science and generally of our universe,often go to fundamentals of that science whether it is of mathematics ,physics ... or even human sciences.
Therefore it has often been a usual path to thiank and be intellectual about the problems of science.Theory of Everything or in other words , The Ultimate Theory , as far as it is seen in the world,hasn't been out of these rules and regulations which are always natural happening.Now we've approached a tough barrier .The great wall which separates our natural and usual science and thought from the mixed-unusual- complicated structure .It seems ,somehow, by mathematics and the roots of philosophy we will be able to sort it out.But what we really need from TOE. is a strong prediction of future of humanity,nature of humanity and the universe.as we get to that future ,we'll be capable to see the past ,The past ,the tense in which we were thoughly searching out TOE.Let me make it light.In the future when we got to the TOE, we'll criticize our past.This is what's happening nowadays in our scientific world.!!!.However besides all of them which were just tale ,TOE will be surely based on universal rules .Not only these rules will contain us Human Beings and animals also all the other creatures which or whom might have been ignored by the science and scientists .TOE should not be a fence to prevent our science from the other existing principles which have not been recognised by us.This theory should make an achievable target to establish a novel civilisation .we need it because it exists.If we didn't , it wouldn't live till being found by some creature like us .Perhaps others had found it some million years ago !.The goal is not to find the Great TOE ,it for all generations has been only a device <virtually> or bridge to arrive in the final palace of science and sociology .

Thank you.

[tornado_sun]

Perhaps Physics is the mother of our TOE.nevertheless I would like to choose Mathematics as the final ring of establishing and finding The Final Theory.Establishing ;because we have to set up a new structure for our mind and intellection .Finding ; because we however must overlook ,we want to demolish the old buildings .Then within Maths it'll be necessary to have an Ideology which ,here.means the great pre-planed scheme. At the end of establishing we'll have to examine our building ;TOE . This must show us we knew everything before setting up .but we won't never !.We will never find the secret of Creation of animal .... and all Bacteria !...What can we do then?... Which of those should be like TOE! Physics>?Biology?Sociology?Art ?.... We don't know!that is wrong !...this sentence :WE DON'T NOW shows that we haven't got even a simple and perfect view of what the Theory of Everything would resemble.....What's the reason? nothing but pride in saying that this section of science is the major one...For instance.Linguistic branches of TOE are so weird,bizarre and unknown to even professional thinkers .They don't like to say that as we or not just human beings ,all creatures have got languages to communicate, in TOE we'll see the new way of communication amongst the TOE Creatures.Are they different from us?..Or we are of them?. Biology so ?Maybe!.... Whatever !.... Future is nigh ........

[Guille]

Dave, you are true, math and scientific methods are stablished, and philosophy must be the main developments, but sicence and math are not completed!

Robert, so, you are of the guys that think that looking inside is the answer for the questons of outside. Well, I tell you something, "looking outside is the answer for the questions of inside" let's see if youc an solve this double paradox.

I'm trying to shopw by this thread that the TOE should be studied by all science, maths, philosophies and other studies, by all human studies and tools possible. I will explain this as the time goes by.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Robert We evolved in an environment that allows us to operate within a very small range of reality. We operate in the realm of seconds where reality spans from planck time to billions of years to possibly the absence of time. We hear and see within a very narrow band of frequencies compared to what is available. We operate in a gravitational field of 1G where the effects of space-time warping is negligible. Reality consists of so much more than what our senses indirectly tell us. Indirectly because of all the signal conversions and transformation by brain processes that take place before the signal ever reaches the part of our brain where they can be interpreted. And our interpretation is based on so many other factors--hormones, neurotransmitter levels, genes, conditioning, education, conscious state, etc--that the way we interpret those signals is highly variable and suspect. What other senses are we missing and don't even realize it. What are the objects behind our perception of them. It would seem we live in a world of illusion and don't even know it.

Here is a quote from Michio Kaku's book, "Parallel Worlds" - page 40, that is very similar to my own.

Originally Posted by Michio Kaku The reason that relativity violates our common sense is not that relativity is wrong, but that our common sense does not represent reality. We are the oddballs of the universe. We inhabit an unusual piece of real estate, where temperatures, densities, and velocities are quite mild. However, in the "real universe," temperatures can be blisteringly hot in the center of stars, or numbingly cold in outer space, and subatomic particles zipping through space regularly travel near light-speed. In other words, our common sense evolved in a highly unusual, obscure part of the universe, Earth; it is not suprising that our common sense fails to grasp the true universe. The problem lies not in relativity but in assuming that our common sense represents reality."

[Robert]

Originally Posted by <<>> Robert, so, you are of the guys that think that looking inside is the answer for the questons of outside. Well, I tell you something, "looking outside is the answer for the questions of inside" let's see if you can solve this double paradox.

Guille, I think you misunderstood me. I would characterize it a bit differently. I do not think that you can look inside to find the answers for questions on the outside, but rather, you look on the inside to find what is blocking you from looking on the outside where the answers are.

[Scoopcone]

All the ideas expressed here have been reconciled in "Simply, Everything".


Robert: Physics is the universal science. Biology, chemistry and all others are "intellectual overshoots". the Universe started before life on Earth and (our) chemistry pertains more accurately to conditions on the planet Earth. Earth chemistry does not occur within stellar interiors.
Note about "cause and effect": I discovered the term "as a consequence of" more accurately reflects the fact that the "arrow of time" moves only in one direction. (2nd Law of Thermodynamics)

As for the Mind. Would you like me to elaborate more on the "five flaws of the Human mind"? When you recognize that you're doing them you'll become enlightened exponentally.