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    Re: The Will is the first wave=1st motion!

    Quote Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com View Post
    'Twas a whirl and a twirl in the infinite space of a finite medium, all that's its limited 'will' could do in winding up the energy. Similar for our will that has more options coming from memory, emotions, associations and all that we've amounted to up to the instant.
    I, nobody, ride willingly, self reciprocrating with each step into this never changing instant, Now, every step I take, I am, Here.

    Timelessness on the Mount of Time, The Invisble and Unseen nobody see's until he's gone, a breeze of the Great Spirit left wafting behind for nobody.

    (i'm workin on it, "Creativity. IT'S CONTAGIOUS!.")

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    Re: The Will is the first wave=1st motion!

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    I maintain that the primary wave(the formational wave)arose from the Absolute,and became the prime mover,the first wave to wash into the void,and bring about the
    relative physical universe.

    Motion was born of the will,and the will gave birth to the creational "formational" first
    wave,within this primal-wave was all the principles that would later become activated
    after the involutionary cycle was complete.


    Consciousness could be called "the rider of the will"as it expresses the "outer" aspect
    of it,while the "inner"(deeper) aspect could be described as the life/soul/spirit,of the
    will.



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    What's tbc mike?

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    Re: The Will is the first wave=1st motion!

    The simple is that some kind of 'to be' is being--and so 'not to be' ain't around. The closest is to say that a stillness of some stuff couldn't be constrained and so it did its thing of what it could.

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    Re: The Will is the first wave=1st motion!

    Quote Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick View Post
    Drifter,intent is the hallmark of the real,that which IS.Absolute intent to bare form and
    bring motion from within absolute motionlessness.Absolute consciousness giving the
    appearence of relativity to ensure evolution fufils its purpose.

    regards michael.
    In the Bible it is said that God caused a deep sleep to come upon Adam (Pure Spirit of God/Awareness His 'first-born')
    God took a rib from him and made woman, Eve (as wayward Soul or Consciousness of good/bad). So the offspring of this union is "man" who possess conscious awareness as Consciousness as this is his nourishing sustenance. If a man/person posses the traits of his "Mother" he has what is termed relative conscience...(waywardness, so-to-speak) of/in this world e.g. phenomenality. If a man possess the traits of his "Father" he is conscious of His Awareness/Oneness/Noumenon with His Father e.g. Divinity. i.e. A Twice Born...could be argued empirically even, A Thrice-born...

    Ponderings of an unsane mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drifter View Post
    In the Bible it is said that God caused a deep sleep to come upon Adam (Pure Spirit of God/Awareness His 'first-born')
    God took a rib from him and made woman, Eve (as wayward Soul or Consciousness of good/bad). So the offspring of this union is "man" who possess conscious awareness as Consciousness as this is his nourishing sustenance. If a man/person posses the traits of his "Mother" he has what is termed relative conscience...(waywardness, so-to-speak) of/in this world e.g. phenomenality. If a man possess the traits of his "Father" he is conscious of His Awareness/Oneness/Noumenon with His Father e.g. Divinity. i.e. A Twice Born...could be argued empirically even, A Thrice-born...

    Ponderings of an unsane mind.
    Thanks Drifter,many "deep sleeps" have come upon us all!



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    What willed the will? What analysis lay beneath it that resulted in the will?

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    Re: The Will is the first wave=1st motion!

    Quote Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com View Post
    What willed the will? What analysis lay beneath it that resulted in the will?
    Good question.
    In-tension?
    Static discharge of that latent potential energy[creativity in action]? Looked at objectively as a power but from within itself a product...force... of nothing[except that in-tension, aka "will" ]?...
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    > We hold that a good book which gives people food for thought,
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    > H.P. Blavatsky, THE KEY TO THEOSOPHY, page 249

    ----------------------------------------------------------
    AVALOKITESHVARA -- THE DIVINE PRESENCE

    By G. de Purucker

    [From STUDIES IN OCCULT PHILOSOPHY, pages 309-12.]

    Mahayana Buddhism, which is mainly the form studied in Tibet
    today, as it has been for centuries past, recognizes three
    distinct entities or hierarchical Logoi in the Buddhists'
    hierarchy of spirit. They are the Buddha Amitabha or the Buddha
    of Boundless Light, then Alaya, then Avalokiteshvara. Alaya
    means the spirit-source of all, the garment or clothing of the
    boundless light; matter cosmic or infinitesimal in nature. Out
    of it spring the multitudinous rays, as rays of light leave the
    sun for instance; and each ray is itself a being.

    Avalokiteshvara does not mean "the Lord looking down," as Rhys
    Davids translates it, in direct violation of the elementary rules
    of Sanskrit grammar. Ava means 'down,' lokita is the past
    participle passive of the Sanskrit verbal root lok, 'to see,'
    hence meaning 'seen.' Ishwara means 'Lord.' So Avalokiteshvara
    means, paraphrased somewhat, "the Lord who is beheld everywhere,"
    the cosmic light, the cosmic spirit, in which we live and move
    and have our being, whose very essence, whose very light, thrills
    and burns in every human soul, the spark within every human
    being. It is the immanence or the constant presence of divinity
    around us, in everything, seen down here in all its works,
    preeminently for humans in man, the most evolved vehicle of this
    divine presence.

    Compare this wonderful Buddhist triad of Tibet, which is likewise
    our own, although our Christian trinity is degenerated and
    grossly transmogrified through centuries of theological and
    scholastic mishandling because of misunderstanding. We find that
    Amitabha, the Boundless Light, corresponds to the Father in the
    Christian Trinity, the Cosmic Father or Abstract Spirit, the
    Pythagorean monad of monads, the source -- in silence to us, and
    darkness to us -- of all the monads emanating from it, streaming
    from it, born from it through the second logos, Alaya, the
    Spirit, which in original Christian teaching was feminine, the
    productive and generative power in nature, in spiritual matters
    as well as material, the mother of all, the fosterer of all, the
    preserver of all. And Avalokiteshvara corresponds to the
    original third Person of the Christian Trinity, the Son, the
    cosmic or Third Logos.

    In Brahmanism the triad runs: Parabrahman or Brahman, Pradhana or
    Mulaprakriti, Mahat. When manifesting in individual monads such
    as a human being, the trinity is Amitabha, Atman; Alaya or
    Mahakasha, Buddhi; Avalokiteshvara, Manas; for Manas is a direct
    ray from the cosmic Alaya, and our Atman, a direct ray from the
    Paramatman, the cosmic Atman, or Brahman or Parabrahman, or the
    Father.

    Thus we have Father, Spirit or Holy Ghost, and Son -- the
    original Christian trinity which the Latin Church finally
    succeeded in turning around into Father, Son, and Holy Ghost,
    making the Son or Logos precede the Mother from which it is born!

    So, as the Masters pointed out in the last part of the letter we
    have been studying, Avalokiteshvara has its temple in the
    Universe around us. It is the creative Logos, the Third Logos,
    the one closest to us as it were, from which we all spring as
    rays from a cosmic sun, which is the divine presence in nature,
    which is the divine presence in the human manasic part, emanating
    of course from Atman or Amitabha; for the Son, is he not the Son
    of his Father? Is not Manas through Buddhi the offspring of
    Atman? Is not Mahat through Alaya or Mahakasha or Pradhana -- all
    names for the same thing -- the offspring of Adi-Buddha, or if
    you wish Paramatman or Brahman or Parabrahman?

    So Avalokiteshvara is the divine presence around us everywhere,
    which every sensitive human soul can feel continuously, day and
    night, even when we are in dreamland or when embodied on Earth.
    And that same divine presence is in the human breast, because the
    human breast, even the human body, is a microcosmic
    representation on this plane of the Universe. No wonder the
    ancients had their Holy of Holies in every temple -- originally a
    beautiful metaphor and a suggestive one when understood by those
    who came to the temple to worship the divine in purity of heart
    and with utmost reverence -- wherein as in the universe, the
    divine presence dwells. It was a symbol; so that when one
    approached the Holy of Holies, shoes were cast from the feet, the
    garments were wiped, the heart was raised, the mind was elevated;
    for the worshipers in their reverent raising of their own spirits
    upwards entered into the Presence, even the Presence Divine.

    That Presence is Avalokiteshvara; and its ray in us through the
    Atman is the Higher Manas, illuminated by Buddhi, Buddhi in its
    turn filled with the divine light of Atman. For the Father
    dwelleth in the Mother; and the Mother giveth birth to the Holy
    Son; and the three are one and yet three, each distinct from the
    other. Very simple to understand, but amazingly difficult to
    attain a deeper realization of that marvel! Yet it is wonderful
    to know and to strive upwards towards. Would that every man and
    woman realized that in every human breast is such a Holy of
    Holies; for when the man, through his own self-discipline and
    cultivation of the highest within him by forgetting himself in
    service to all others, thus sinking the unit into the all, thus
    becoming even then relatively divine, becomes so over powerfully
    strong that nothing less than It will ever satisfy, then he
    yearns upward, he opens the portals of his holier being, and the
    light streams in and fills the Holy of Holies within his breast.
    Then the man is transfigured, he is a Christ, he is a
    Bodhisattva, for the time being.

    That was the effect of successful initiation, just that.
    Sometimes the aura of the event remained with the man for days,
    it may be weeks, and his very body at the time was surrounded
    with light. He was spoken of as being clothed with the solar
    splendor, the sun being a symbol of Atman, as he is in his
    kingdom; and our own inner God being the sun, the inner God of
    our own divinity, our Father in Heaven, that ray from the cosmic
    Avalokiteshvara.

    I think it is just here that we find the reason why the Tibetan
    esotericists and mystics, Initiates, and the common people -- by
    that I mean the mass of the people, the hard working, kindly,
    good-natured, loving, aspiring men of the multitude -- why they
    all look upon the Bodhisattvas with deeper reverence and a more
    fervent love than they do even upon the Buddhas. For the Buddhas
    have achieved, they have left these spheres. Behind them remains
    their glory as a spiritual influence. But the Bodhisattvas are
    still men, not yet Buddhas, men whose life is consecrated to
    making Avalokiteshvara a living power in the world through
    themselves.

    This is why it is the Bodhisattvas that the multitudes love.
    They deeply revere the Buddhas as having gone on and shown the
    way, but they love with an exalted human devotion the
    Bodhisattvas who remain behind with arms outstretched to help in
    pity. No wonder they love the Bodhisattvas, for he who brings
    Avalokiteshvara to live in this Holy of Holies in the human
    breast, becomes more than man. No wonder he is loved and revered
    and trusted. I think these thoughts are beautiful beyond
    description. Their sublimity does not blind us, for it is like
    divinity clothing itself in human habiliments, in human apparel,
    and therefore becoming understandable to us humans. It is like
    seeing humanity clothed with divinity. The Bodhisattvas are not
    so abstract, so seemingly far away, as are the Buddhas.

    So true is this psychology that to it is due, to it alone I
    believe, all the success of early Christianity, that it taught
    the very ancient doctrine which had become almost forgotten in
    the so-called pagan world, and it was this: that a man lived who
    had been filled with divinity, and that he came amongst us and
    taught and showed the way and loved us all so greatly that he
    laid down his life and all that was in him so that others seeing
    might follow on the path -- the typical Bodhisattva, the typical
    Christ. I think THAT one thing alone captured for Christianity
    those who joined the Christian Church.

    But how very old is this doctrine of beauty and inspiration! The
    Christians received it from the Orient. It is far older than the
    so-called enduring mountains, for when they were still sea-slime,
    not yet having been raised, these doctrines were taught among men
    in other continents, in other ages, in other Root-Races, these
    same wondrous teachings of cosmic origin.

    See the difference between the Christian theological idea of
    Avalokiteshvara as wrongly translated by Rhys Davids and others
    as being the "Lord who looks down," something "up there" and
    apart and away, as compared with the real meaning: the Lord here
    amongst us, the Lord of Pity, human and yet divine, the Divine
    Presence surrounding us everywhere, which makes the human breast
    recognizing this the human Holy of Holies.

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    Thanks, Drifter, truly,

    I see that the force of nothing does a lot, and again, welcome back to the Land of TOE.

    What's going on in Florida these days? Is that where you live?

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    Re: The Will is the first wave=1st motion!

    Quote Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com View Post
    Thanks, Drifter, truly,

    I see that the force of nothing does a lot, and again, welcome back to the Land of TOE.

    What's going on in Florida these days? Is that where you live?
    Thanks for the cordial welcome.

    Lots of turmoil in the economic climate of Southwest Fla.

    Tipped over my basket [cart] on Saturday...Reason/logic sank into the abyss of near madness...

    A coule of angels appeared, I got a reprieve, celexa, am currently rewritting another "last chapter" in the book of life...and forever gratefull to be here now...

    Hope that wasn't too much information...

    Warmest regards A.
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