Love

[austintorn@aol.com]

OK Austin, I view the universe is within God, and if the universe is necessary, then God would have to be necessary also

Prof, You are trying to trick me, for one cannot just say this… for there has to be something behind the words…

Is this made up?


Anyway, we know that the Universe cannot come from a Mind [God] which is absolute and fundamental, for then what would have designed the Mind and how would the SYSTEM of mind have been fundamental, as systems are never so.

In conclusion, all universes evolved in the potential/possible state or something like that, nothing but this Potential having been around forever but… my theory of that is complete trash as are any others such as God [Mind] or any. This is what humans don't get: all are equal trash since they, like mine, are all made up. Completely made up. Totally made up. Even differently made up.

See, I admit my own making up, as does Wick, as does Leskey…

So, all that is left to do is live with what is [seen].

[Profpat]

Of course it's all made up, it's make believe ( making what you belive in to come true ).

[austintorn@aol.com]

( making what you belive in to come true )

Well, that works for real life, such as being loving and therefore attracting love (Linda), etc., making dreams come true, but it wouldn't work with a made up imaginary world beyond…

We are just some mammals in a universe that is not really dedicated to us as special or great and apart from all the other organics… it's just pride that wishes it so, plus the reward beyond… so as to avoid the greatest fear: death.

It would be an insult to the imaginary God to say that He made our human nature to be what it is. Probably the Devil did it!

[PoPpAScience]

Love is like Motion. Motion is defined by bounded substance moving past another bounded substance. Motion is not a physical entity, but an Action.

Love is the same, it is an non-entity, an Action. It is the Action of experiencing Evolution by our Universe.

I do not see Love as something that is added to the Universe. I see it as something that is, because of an Evolving Universe.

There is no thinking involved by the Universe when it comes to Love, only Action.

Because Love is distinct, no analogy can be used. But, the Action of Love can be felt by the inner Being.

[melanie]

so as to avoid the greatest fear: death.

What is that dies?

It would be an insult to the imaginary God to say that He made our human nature to be what it is.

Probably the Devil did it!

Who? ....is insulted?
God is imaginary, so is the devil...these are concepts/ideas.

The physical/material world aka (Nature) is completely neutral, until the human or other similar mind stirs it up with it's imagination, creating ideas of devils and gods, that are never real....Just made up stuff...including this.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Hi Mel; everything is imaginary, but, meanwhile it is completely and absolutely usable as if it were real, and, since, what makes no difference is no difference, we are using it that way.


So, Poppa, since the universe can "experience", does that mean it is alive and has feelings?

[AntonioLao]

Love is reverse evolution with no beginning of n-o-i-t-u.

[PoPpAScience]

Austin, there is no Evolution without experience. How else would an entity improve upon itself. I do not believe the Universe has feelings. Feelings are a human experience.

Pure Love is this experience of Evolution. Humans experience this Love through the perspective of the human experience. Thus the human experience of Love is flawed.

[melanie]

Hi Mel; everything is imaginary, but, meanwhile it is completely and absolutely usable as if it were real, and, since,
what makes no difference is no difference, we are using it that way.

Reality IMO, IS all sense perception, whether on not anything is real or not, is unanswerable, for 'who' is there to answer that?

We are just clumps of mnemonic debris, floating around in spacetime,( very pretty clumps i might add )
that have the capacity to remember, a device such as our brain is the terminal at the end of ''Something'' greater than us.
Our brain is our link to the "Mainframe Computer"
where we hold the capacity to remember patterns, codes, letters, ideas, or associations that assists in remembering something,
( i am the least )
it also has the capacity to come on line(wake up) to it's wholeness...and connect with the ''Main Frame'' computer.
Enabling us to be in sync with the whole rather that be fooled by the illusionary separateness that our limited senses perceive.
When we are online our lives unfold with grace, exact precision and with synchronic harmony.

Then as we expand our finite consciousness we make contact with infinite consciousness.

~

[melanie]

Pure Love is this experience of Evolution.

Humans experience this Love through the perspective of the human experience.

Thus the human experience of Love is flawed.

I would agree human love is flawed too.

Because it is only a sensory emotion, it doesn't actually exist at all.

It can be felt, but it can never be attained, it is unattainable.
Just like any other emotion, they arise from nothing and return to nothing.

We are not in control of our life, Life is in control of us.

The pure love comes when our phantom identity disappears, leaving behind the original pure unconditional state....that of ''Pure Beingness''
It's a bit like that quote...'' swallowing the Pacific Ocean in a single gulp ''

''The key to growth is the introduction of higher dimensions of consciousness into our awareness''

( it's all wonderful magic in my opinion )