[mkirkpatrick]

One profound thought that has been with me for years now,is that there is no
outside,all that is real is within,this thought seemed to suggest that an outside
was laughably absurd.how could anything exist outside of realality?There seemed to be one idea of reality,which was realitive,that we look at everyday,
and then there was an absolute realality,within,which we seem to be hardly
aquainted with.
I thought of this as eternity,illusion,looking,out,and,internity,that which is real
within ourselves.
The more I look out at the world,I realise that I am really looking within.
The ancient Greeks seemed to understand this.when,they ,quoted,Man know
thyself.

To find the truth,to pull on the string,of theory?I need to understand myself
and in so doing,will understand,You,then,will know,that there is surely no
outside,I can never be lost,for I am always in mind.
kind regards,michael.

[harmonygirl]

actually Michael, I don't believe outside cannot exist if you define inside. I do, however believe they are the same, just different in manifestation.

[Mohan.C]

I do completely agree with you Michael.

Mohan

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl actually Michael, I don't believe outside cannot exist if you define inside. I do, however believe they are the same, just different in manifestation.

You may have a point there H.G.there is only within,
we are fooled by our limited perception,and imagine wrongly an outside!

Originally Posted by Mohan.C I do completely agree with you Michael. Mohan

Well many thanks my friend,on your kind words,have a large
glass of lassi.and a fish curry on me,my treat!!!

kindest regards michael.

[Guille]

Then every single thing is everything. Therefore everything is a thing, therefore we lead to two false statements: 1. that the set of all things is an entity, which has lead to the worst idea of all times: god, and 2. that nothing apart from 'I' exists, leading to the horrible personality that some people have of narcisism (idolation of oneself), and we can do whatever we want with anything for it is part of ourselves.

[harmonygirl]

Guille, are we going to get trapped by that old bugaboo, the difference between spirituality and religion? I am not everything, but we are. it is exactly the opposite of narcissism that I think that Michael is talking about. Selflessness is the key.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl Guille, are we going to get trapped by that old bugaboo, the difference between spirituality and religion? I am not everything, but we are. it is exactly the opposite of narcissism that I think that Michael is talking about. Selflessness is the key.

Do you believe you are somehow like a teacher to humanity, or at least to me, so much that you make the error of all teachers (teaching something you don't follow yourself)? Well this post of yours is the proof that the answer to the question is yes. But of course, you will close to your own theory as you always do.

I'm not talking about spirituality and religion, but anyway, as you ahve heated up the theme, I'll give a speed fast than light so the discussion finishes before it even starts: The way you put spirituality over religion, the differentiation you make, the idea of 'progress' you give from this 'jump' is exactly the same, totally identical, equal completelly, to before, when religion was put up from myth, was differentiated from it, and gave the idea of progress. Well in fact, in those times it looked liek religion was progress, now we know it is the inverse of progress, it is staticity. Well I'm not going to fall due to the same stone again, and I know by now that it is an illusion that spirituality is progress compared to religion. All of beliefs; the myth, the religion, the spirituality... Based on claims, are a jump, yes, but not a jump to a higher a step, a jump to a bottomless clift.

I proved that this 'I am all, and all is me' leads to pure narcisism, I have derived it properly formt he statement. If you can counter attack my derivation, then we might start an acceptable discussion (something I've never recieved from you, as you base everything from your poitn of view, and have such a womenly personality to not accept anything, not even irrelevant things, and stay there on your place. Well People like that end up ALONE).

[harmonygirl]

Wow, Guille, such hostility! Maybe you want think about why the ideas provoke such a reaction. We are all teachers. I do not know more than you, I know differently from you. I never claimed spirituality was progress from religion (although I do believe so) but as I have said time and again, this is my reality, this is how I experience the Goddess. I accept that you don't. I wouldn't like to live in your world. I have never been alone, but it speaks volumes that you feel the need to say this. Perhaps this is your greatest fear? but I digress. My point of view is that you are not all. We are all.

[mkirkpatrick]

From the day we are born,and for most of us,until the day we exit this vale of
tears,we are fooled byare senses,they lead us to believe that there is an inside
and an outside,this is complety false,yes I know all the objections and arguments against this,but nevertheless,there is no outside period!Our senses
tells us thatthere is,our whole network globally tells us the same.In the relative
state,there is indeed the "appearance" of in and out,but thatis all it is an
"appearance"it has no "substance" because it is an illusion?We as a human race,
are all interconnected and locked in firm and "Deep" to this universe ofwhich we
are all part of.The "deeper" we go within we begin to see the connections,and
all of these connections are "INNER Connections" there are NO outer ones at all!

kindest regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

Michael, I think that (just to expand on my previous comment) that what's inner is outer (and vice versa). We project and inject (?) our perceptions on ourselves and our environment. We create our own reality. Through my travels I have hung out with many different groups of people and the accepted reality is always different. I am finding it difficult to believe in objective anything. I don't only think that outer is an illusion, I think inner is as well. I am not sure where reality lies (if anywhere). the only thing that I am sure of is the universal vibration that I have heard coming from trees and have sensed in other places. I definitely think the "I" is an illusion.