[mkirkpatrick]

Fair comment there Guille, we have an agreement have we not?Whowas it that said
"The whiteness of snow is an illusion of optic limitation"Well actually it was me?i just made it up.so there Guille!
kind regards michael.

[Mohan.C]

Originally Posted by Guille None of the three statements of mine were quotes. They were my response to the statements by others, in particular the three statements in Orwell's 1984. I agree, people who quote and quote are not to be quoted. About society fights, I said it as that the only barrier between 'us and them' (title also of a great song from Pink Floyd), between the individual and the world, is the other individuals and their wills, so society is the wall dividing me from the world.

Is the sociey a barrier for you Guille? If that is true then you should be thinking that either you are too intelligent for the society or the opposite of it. Society does not bar you it offers you. It offers you knowledge, a place for comparision a......a place for sharing. Related to war and things. I know only one quote which is "Peace is a philosophers dream, War is a historical fact" And I don't know who said it.

If you know the truth, then you are condemned to knowing the truth in particular that you know. That first doesn't make you have the Truth for the Truth would be all the truths, only. And we can't know that. We can only know part of the truth, and this limits us from knowing any other truth, nor whether any other fact is true or false. If we choose not to know anything--even though this is a very nihilistic way of gaining knowledge--then we can determine what is false, and know that the rest is true. Please don't confuse this logical derivation about the metaphysical implicatiosn of knowledge with Subversion's 'law of laws' which was in fact taken from several posts of mine in these forums and misleaded, just as many of the aspects of his toe.

I think that one truth is a comparision for other truths we have. But One truth about everything will be completely contradictory to other parts of truth. Because all other parts of truth will be relative. But the truth about everything cannot be relaive to anything. And hence can either be true or false depends on what you call it.

[KAC]

We wear the chains that we make for ourselves.

We choose that we choose. This is recursion, which is a natural cycle within our thinking-emotive net.

I choose to be free. I choose to not wear the chains that others would give me, and I choose to pick at the locks people have established for themselves.

The key is choice.

-The fool never knew for the fool was foolish and wisdom had no place in his heart,
KAC

[Guille]

Originally Posted by Mohan.C Is the sociey a barrier for you Guille? If that is true then you should be thinking that either you are too intelligent for the society or the opposite of it.

Society is generally stupid and I don't think many members here find me stupid or less intelligent, and such reputation isn't due to nothingness.

Originally Posted by Mohan.C Society does not bar you it offers you.

That depends on whether you see the glass half empty or half full. But if you realize, there is only a problem when it is equal in both sides. However, society serves much more as barrier than 'offerer'. Therefore it is a barrier with some missing points (which form the offer part).

Originally Posted by Mohan.C It offers you knowledge, a place for comparision a......a place for sharing. Related to war and things. I know only one quote which is "Peace is a philosophers dream, War is a historical fact" And I don't know who said it.

I prefer the philosopher's dream than the historical fact. But it is paradoxical because so many philosophers have decided to become soldiers (Descartes, Nietzsche, Wittgenstein...). Society is a barrier in the sense that it is ruled by a majority. If the majority was minorities, then democracy would recode itself and become something usefull and sensefull.

Originally Posted by Mohan.C I think that one truth is a comparision for other truths we have. But One truth about everything will be completely contradictory to other parts of truth. Because all other parts of truth will be relative. But the truth about everything cannot be relaive to anything. And hence can either be true or false depends on what you call it.

Yes. But that is neither usefull nor sensefull. We go nowhere by saying that truth is subjective. We must find a way of looking for the truth assuming the problems with the idea of 'truth as absolute and universal' (Plato) and not falling into nihilism.

[mkirkpatrick]

The truth will do more than just set you free!It will also protect you from
making errors,by activating your conscience,the monitor within (the soul)
which acts as "the still small voice within",this will inform you of impending
error,in act,judgement,or speech!You can then,check yourself,and avoid
error occuring,or ignore the warning,and pay the price?

kind regards michael.