Realism and the Existence of Nothing

[labelwench]

The only property of no-thing, or nothing, as one may prefer, is POTENTIAL.

POTENTIAL has no form until it is acted upon.

POTENTIAL can be activated by CHOICE.

CHOICE begets POTENTIAL, which begets ACTION, and REACTION.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Some proposed amendments…

The only property of no-thing, or nothing, is no properties, for if it had POTENTIAL or CAPABILITY then this would still be something; whereas Nothing is the lack of anything at all, that is, it is not there in any way.

POTENTIAL has no form until it is acted upon. It is who you have become—your self of inclinations, beliefs, learnings, personality, temperment, reaction modes, memories, inuts, and associations right up to the moment.

POTENTIAL can be activated by CHOICE. Yes.

CHOICES are true to who you have become (as detailed).

CHOICE begets [more] POTENTIAL, as then one is going forward along the avenue. …which begets ACTION, and REACTION. Whatever we then run into, which then may activate more CHOICE via POTENTIAL from who we are.

[labelwench]

Capability is an already realized Potential.

This nullifies your argument, from my perspective.

[austintorn@aol.com]

I was only using "capability" as a duplicate of "potential". You can remove it with no effect to the post.

[labelwench]

Then we disagree on the meaning of POTENTIAL.

POTENTIAL has NO FORM until it is acted upon.

NO FORM.......No Thing........Nothing

[austintorn@aol.com]

It's like how Nobody said that Nothing had the potential to differentiate itself(?) into positive and negative, yet, this would be different from a true Nothing which couldn't do that, it having no properties such as that, nor any properties at all; thus, this potential was still the something of a capability for dividing into positive and negative.

Or, such that the quantum foam has no form, but the emitted plus and minus particles of matter and anti-matter do, thus the quantum realm is not Nothing, but something. As for what it emits, they, too, are something, although secondary, until they recombine and cancel out.

We could say that the timeless, formless, spaceless is a state between a thing and no-thing (true Nothing).

[labelwench]

Language is a manifestation of a concept, whereby we justify other concepts.

Yet, what was language before it came into existence?

It was not there....no thing.....

Yet there was the potential for language to arise.....

One will never justify one concept with another concept, and such demonstration was the sole purpose of this exchange.

Thank you for participating Austin.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Language was but signs, facial expressions, and gestures before it became words, still employed even when on the telephone. Before that, I suppose we had to note where someone was looking or going to get a clue.

How about that the “potential” is to make future, as it is about what may come to pass?

And, as there are many possible futures, a collapse of all the scenarios of consequences could lead to which one is chosen.

My pleasure to participate.

Potential would seem to be unlimited (but by our form sometimes—can't fly, yet)

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Language is a manifestation of a concept, whereby we justify other concepts.

Yes, true enough, but most information so far has forgot to mention its historical epistemic paths, enough to be fully understood. SB_UK and I talked about this area early in the East West Post, and possibly some in the False and True Philosophy thread. It's the photon's total path, from Universe and Nature to us, that's the explanation__The photon's frequencies have to build the concepts first, before any concepts can justify other concepts...

Yet, what was language before it came into existence?

Hi L and A, interesting probing... Imo, language was the pre-existing objective images of real objects, being carried by the em field/photons, which make subjective language interpretation of these images possible, before it becomes language... The initial fields, objects and images of Universe and Nature make all concepts possible, just as they made us possible... I think if you follow a photon throughout the entire system, then through our entire mind, one will see its total path__Field to waves/photons, to objects, to eye, to perception, to judgmental interpretation and conceptualization, to language and emotions of, to memory storage for later retrieval__and it being a rote system, we learn to make use of it by repeated use, or the photon system's repeated use of us__however you wish to see it... I may have left out a few pieces of the path, but I've written quite a bit about it in the past...

It was not there....no thing.....

Lorrina, I think when you take it that far into 'no thing' you violate the laws of physics, requiring field to be everywhere, eternally__thus always capturing pieces of the frequency images in its infinite number of photons... Nobody and I debated much about this years ago, but we never really finished our debates...

Yet there was the potential for language to arise.....

The only potential required is the photon paths, and bio-evolution of hosts, here on Earth...

One will never justify one concept with another concept, and such demonstration was the sole purpose of this exchange.

No, there doesn't need to be. Concepts can always be created anew by more photonic imaging content, from its many possible sources__But, we can and often do join many concepts throughout our lives...

Thank you for participating Austin.[/QUOTE]
And; Thanks for you two re-engaging this thread__some interesting points of new departures...

[labelwench]

I am no scientist Lloyd, so both you and Austin can spin me in circles if you want, but I trust to my senses and my 'over-sense' when it comes to sorting things out for myself and those I am responsible for, even if I cannot explain matters in scientific terms. I observe and seek out patterns, which I test and retest, assimilating those which are useful and putting the rest in a mental file to observe yet again, as perhaps I have taken them out of context or missed a cue or clue.

Here's a thought for you gentlemen.

Do your ideas come to you in words or in pictures?

Later, guys. Time to go on 'horizontal hold' for a few hors.