The message of truth-can we read it?

mkirkpatrick · **The message of truth-can we read it? -** 10-18-2005, 11:12 PM

When a message comes to you that seems to awaken a memory of an almost forgotten truth,then that truth is yours-it may not be all of that truth,but as much as you feel is true is yours-the rest will come in time.Emerson is said to have been asked to prove certain statements which he had made,in a lecture.He
is reported as saying,in reply,I trust that I shall never utter a statement of the
truth which will need to be proved.He was right.Truth is self evident.When the
awakening soul hears a statement of what truth it is ready to receive at that time,it instinctively recognizes it as such.It may not be able to explain it to others,or even to itself.But it knows,it knows.The awakening faculties of the
spiritual mind perceives truth by methods of their own.The spiritual mind does not run contrary to reason-but it transcends intellect-it goes beyond,and sees that which the intellect cannot Grasp.In reading,or hearing,statements of what is claimed to be the truth,accept only that which appeals to this higher reason,and lay aside,temporarily,that which does not so appeal to it.In a lecture,or in a book,there may be only one sentance that so appeals to you-accept that,and let the rest go.If that which is passed by be real truth,it will come to you when you are ready for it-It Cannot Escape-You!

kind regards michael.

Guille · 10-19-2005, 12:21 PM

Truth is th intepretation of an interpreter to the interpreted (in the case of scientists and philsophers, it's humans to reality).

But can ther ebe truth about truth itself? Well, in theory truth is part of reality, and thus, there must be truth of truth. But also a truth of that turth. AN dfor truith another truth. And like this we end up in an infinite paradox of truths, whcih shoudln't ahppen, because the number of truth should be true, and as infinite is not a true number, thus, it should be finit. Could it be that nothing is true? Also no, because zero is not a true number.

~~subversion~~ · 09:26 PM

the truth about the truth is it's truth, and so on and so forth. The truth about every truth is that it is true, and the definition of a truth would be that every truth about it is also truth. So while saying that the truth is infinitely true is confusing, it actually makes total sense, and thus it is quite the opposite of a paradox.

As a side note, I'm glad that you noticed a difference between numbers like zero and infinity and other "counting" type numbers. I'll try to make a thread about this later.

Guille · 10-19-2005, 05:32 PM

Sub,

I agree that it makes things clear and logical, because truths are true.

But it does make an infinite road of truth going. And infinite is not true itself. So there is a paradox. I'm not sying it's an impossible to solve paradox, not at all. It can be solve. You just have to proove that one of these two premises is true:

Either:
1. Infinity is true.
Or:
2. There is not a truth for each truth.

mkirkpatrick · **Re-collect the truth from Mind,What a great Idea? -** 10-19-2005, 09:56 PM

Many thanks Sub,for your most kind and generous words.If I was not so Humble
I would be proud of myself!When the Budda made his great discovery,looking at a humble leaf,he saw the connections,the leaf with the tree,the tree with the soil,the soil,the air,sun,all linked together,he found enlightenment because he saw that we are all linked together by an unbroken chain.interconnected.that is
really what is true,we live,we will always live,because only life comes from life.death is just another word for change.Truth just IS.we Just Are?

kind regards michael.

Guille · 10-20-2005, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subversion

infinity must be true then

But you can't just state it and that's it.

You first have try and proof that there is no way of escaping the paradox without solving it. Second, you have to proof that the statement that "infinity is true" is the one that should be tried to be solved over the others. Third, you have to prove it.

When I use the word proof here of course, it's not that I want an equation that sais infinity=true, I want a logical argumentation, which is the kind of proof that exists in philosophy.

~~subversion~~ · 10-20-2005, 01:14 PM

the definition of the truth is that it is more than infinitely true, it is absolutely true. That should be the self-evident definition of truth

Guille · 10-21-2005, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subversion

the definition of the truth is that it is more than infinitely true, it is absolutely true. That should be the self-evident definition of truth

But why choosing that instead of the statement that there is no truth for each truth?

And, by the way, I don't find it self evidence.

mkirkpatrick · 09:23 PM

The real message of truth is to open your eyes,and take a good look at what you see?What doyou really see?There is much truth hidden in plain sight!
And we see it not.We need to look with our hearts as well as our minds for
the truth to reveal itself to us?

kind regards michael