zero origin of mind

[mkirkpatrick]

The supermind is all encompassing me now. In it's presence I am totally helpless, but feeling no pain, except for what it inflicts privately. Wish me luck, all.

Michelle,this is a rather criptic message,
are you sure that all is well???
Take care Michael.

kindregards michael.

[HappytheStripper]

The supermind is all encompassing me now. In it's presence I am totally helpless, but feeling no pain, except for what it inflicts privately. Wish me luck, all.

Good Luck Michelle .. Ashley

[mkirkpatrick]

Can a mind become absolutely empty? In some mystic beliefs, only an empty mind is capable of receiving enlightenment.

No I do not think that any mind is able to be totally empty,you could try ,but would fail to achieve this.


kind regards michael.

[WithoutMe]

Truly, the mind cannot be empty, its like asking a warrior to launch a peace mission without asking him to give up on his warring insticcts!

However, can a homo sapien sapien be truly living with no regard to the mind?

[WithoutMe]

A blind man can never explain to another blind man what it is to see the light!

A homo sapien cannot reach a state of no-mind, coz the very "process of reaching" entails the use & the very existence of the mind! How can the mind free the mind? Huh! Its cycylic!!!!!!

So surely, there cannot be any process to reach it, coz the very fact of being a process, induces the very existence of the mind.... after all, what is mind? Or rather, what is this thing called minding? The reflection of the past on the present, a biological derivative of the passage of Time?

Refer to my post titled, "Can This Be & Not-be?" at:-
http://www.toequest.com/forum/philos...-new-post.html

Regards,
wM.

[harmonygirl]

I am not sure I agree, WM. The blind man certainly can explain his concept of light to the other blind man, for the latter won't know whether the first man is accurate! I agree that 'reaching' implies a process involving the mind, but reaching is not the same as 'being' (which doesn't necessarily involve mind), so while the process likely involves mind, would you agree that (theoretically, at any rate) the state of no-mind is different from the process, not necessarily a continuation of the process and, therefore, possible?

[WithoutMe]

The point is not abt explaining it to somebody in terms of words & ideas, but in experiencing it as something hhappening to oneself, & if a blind man is experiencing the phenomenon of light, then he is either not blind, or he is in a state of illusion!

& what exactly is a being? Is there a concreteness in there?

The last word u used is "possible"! what is "possible"? Isnt it very much in the range of happening, & isnt all hapenning perceived as a sort of process?

Regards,
wM.

[harmonygirl]

I don't know if a blind person can experience phenomena simply by having it described, but why assume she can't? It's a different reality which I cannot presume to speak for. Who is to say what illusion is? Your reality may be illusory to me, (and the converse!) but objectively, do we KNOW who is correct or accurate or real? NO.
re: being, i wasn't using the term as in "a being" but rather as "being", a state which is no-mind, rather than the process. When you learned to ride a bike, during the process, you couldn't ride a bike, and then you learned how. you entered the state of knowing how to ride a bike. This state of being did not include the process of learning, but was a result of it.
Possible is defined with respect to the above. Possible means within the realm of achievement, at some point.
Hope this clears up my points.

[ZenClone]

I have struggled with this concept. I know that emptying the mind is a desirable eastern belief. I understand that the filling of the mind can only occur when it is empty. I don't share Michael's caution, but I can't seem to understand how to continually ensure your mind is empty. Maybe it's done by having oneness with the universal vibration? still searching....

sorry, but i am responding to the earlier "thoughts" in this thread

Yup.

It is much more difficult to be thoughtless than it might seem.
In meditation, the goal is to eliminate thought.
Thoughts will enter the mind, and you should let them pass like an overhead cloud.
It can be compared to pouring your cup out. empty.

"Give up thinking as though not giving it up. Observe techniques as though not observing"
__ Bruce Lee

I have studied Buddhism for quite a good portion of my life.
And the thought of No-thought is still a thought!

Thats why they say it takes many lifetimes to achieve Nirvana, or spiritual enlightenment...

No-Mindedness is "Wu-hsin" in Chinese
which doesn't mean a blank mind that excludes all emotions. It means to be Non-fixated. no dwelling, or localization or freezing of the mind.
Let thoughts flow freely like a river. Without the interference of the ego.

Does that make any sense?

[mkirkpatrick]

Zenclone,yes that does indeed make sense,I to have been involved in the
study of mind and meditation for over three decades now,and have never suceeded in emptying my mind,rather I try to fill it totally with a concept
or idea,and exclude all other imput!I sometimes feel that I might be hovering
in the borderland between bliss and blast?Only to find I am mistaken!There
is more blast,than bliss,I am saddened to say?

kind regards michael.