zero origin of mind

[AntonioLao]

Can a mind become absolutely empty? In some mystic beliefs, only an empty mind is capable of receiving enlightenment.

[Guille]

1. The mind is empty if and only if there are no thoughts.
2. If there is perception or conception, there are thoughts. If there is one, there is the other.
3. For a mind to exist, there must be perception and conception.
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Therefore:
4. If our minds exist, there must be thoughts.
5. If our minds exist, it must not be empty.
6. Minds exist.
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Therefore:
7. Our minds can't be empty.

[mkirkpatrick]

Can a mind become absolutely empty? In some mystic beliefs, only an empty mind is capable of receiving enlightenment.

Yes
it can be absolutly empty,and then be full of nothing!But an empty mind can
lead to very dangerous conditions,with the possibility of possession by an
uninvited entity,gaining lodgement with the unwary host!


kindest regards michael,

[harmonygirl]

I have struggled with this concept. I know that emptying the mind is a desirable eastern belief. I understand that the filling of the mind can only occur when it is empty. I don't share Michael's caution, but I can't seem to understand how to continually ensure your mind is empty. Maybe it's done by having oneness with the universal vibration? still searching....

[AntonioLao]

Maybe it's done by having oneness with the universal vibration?

Empty mind is a peaceful mind without any worry for example worrying about a pocket full of money. Rich people tends to worry alot about their accumulated wealth.

[harmonygirl]

but how could an empty mind be peaceful, wouldn't it be equally worried? It contains neither, so characterized equally as either? I agree Antonio, wealth brings its own set of problems (I hear), some of the most unhappy people I have met have been wealthy. They don't trust anyone and are always afraid of their "things" being taken. Maybe a key to understanding why this is desirable is that one is able to witness the world free from interference of paradigms?

[AntonioLao]

but how could an empty mind be peaceful, wouldn't it be equally worried?

Empty mind is also a sleeping dreamless mind where the magnetic field intensity is near zero.

[mkirkpatrick]

Empty mind is also a sleeping dreamless mind where the magnetic field intensity is near zero.

I would suggest that,that level
of emptiness,where the field intensity was near zero,would only exist the other
side of the Proytle Atom.

kindest regardsmichael.

[baudrunner]

There was a time when a pair of dimes could free my mind of the weightiness of boredom, of the emptiness of having nothing. A blank mind now, to sackcloth and ashes, free of the responsibility of adulthood, cloistered in a blank space, my future, a mind apart from the needs of caring and neither welcoming nor fighting the inevitable. There is such a thing as existing within the framework of another's depiction for as long as it continues to gain in value and yet be nothing yourself except maybe an item in a history book. What is it to make a mind blank and who would want it? Is enlightenment nirvana or knowledge and does not either result from the preoccupations of the mind?

[HappytheStripper]

Antonio .. the brain is matter the mind is free flowing enrgy .. let it flow .. watch your thoughts ,, and remember whilst you still ask questions .. your mind will always be that free flowing energy ..

Imagine your mind like the components of a Computer .. where you can gain information .. process it .. store what is necessary and filter the rest .. delete whats not needed and file the remainder ..

Hope that helps

Ashley