[theunify]

"Somehow the brain stores what it would look like if you could see yourself in the 3rd person the whole time." My realization after smoking this stuff.


The herb known simply as Mystic Sage, scientific name Salvia Divinorum has short lasting effects stronger than nicotine, scientific name nicotinic acid.

It was a terrible purchase; but it did not ruin my custon glass pipe.
I smoked this stuff 5 years back but never had any experience this painful before.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by theunify "Somehow the brain stores what it would look like if you could see yourself in the 3rd person the whole time." My realization after smoking this stuff. The herb known simply as Mystic Sage, scientific name Salvia Divinorum has short lasting effects stronger than nicotine, scientific name nicotinic acid. It was a terrible purchase; but it did not ruin my custon glass pipe. I smoked this stuff 5 years back but never had any experience this painful before.

Let us hope you leave that filthy habit alone,once and for all.


regards michael/

[Elizabeth]

Drugs provide known falseness. Recognizing the truth can be practiced by recognizing falseness for what it is, and drugs are an "easy" way of changing perspectives from true to false, and hopefully back again. If the brain is not permanently damaged in the process, one can recognize some truth and falseness of different perspectives.

Learning truth from falseness through drugs, though, is not nearly as beneficial as learning truth from falseness through reality. The problem with using reality as your learning stage is it is harder to determine the difference between truth and falseness. The ultimate solution, though, is a mentor (or mentors) who are well versed in practical logic - which is the true beacon into the darkness that overshadows reality.

Drugs are ultimatly one more shadow, and this shadow borrows the batteries from your beacon, as one can not use logic as well when on drugs, and reality is necessarily distorted.

Most peoples' experiences of reality are distortions of reality anyway, and for many people, the distortions are better for them than the truth. There actually are very few people who can survive in unadulterated reality, but for those few sages, truth rips out their core more thouroughly than any quantity of drugs ever could. Drugs pull at the core before putting reality in focus, so the best effect drugs can provide is a deeper hunger for less delusions - which means no more drugs. The worst is the delusions slip in under the core, which goes back when the drugs wear off, and the delusions fester into a deeper distortion of the truth.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth Drugs provide known falseness. Recognizing the truth can be practiced by recognizing falseness for what it is, and drugs are an "easy" way of changing perspectives from true to false, and hopefully back again. If the brain is not permanently damaged in the process, one can recognize some truth and falseness of different perspectives. Learning truth from falseness through drugs, though, is not nearly as beneficial as learning truth from falseness through reality. The problem with using reality as your learning stage is it is harder to determine the difference between truth and falseness. The ultimate solution, though, is a mentor (or mentors) who are well versed in practical logic - which is the true beacon into the darkness that overshadows reality. Drugs are ultimatly one more shadow, and this shadow borrows the batteries from your beacon, as one can not use logic as well when on drugs, and reality is necessarily distorted. Most peoples' experiences of reality are distortions of reality anyway, and for many people, the distortions are better for them than the truth. There actually are very few people who can survive in unadulterated reality, but for those few sages, truth rips out their core more thouroughly than any quantity of drugs ever could. Drugs pull at the core before putting reality in focus, so the best effect drugs can provide is a deeper hunger for less delusions - which means no more drugs. The worst is the delusions slip in under the core, which goes back when the drugs wear off, and the delusions fester into a deeper distortion of the truth.

Thank you Elizabeth for your post,very true indeed,I spent many years counselling and
trying to help those with alcohol and drug dependencies.
regards michael.

[Elizabeth]

Michael,

Would you say that more people take/try drugs to seek the truth, or to seek falseness (escape from reality)? Or would you say that most do not even really think when they make the decision to use (at least at first, before an addiction sets in)?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth Michael, Would you say that more people take/try drugs to seek the truth, or to seek falseness (escape from reality)? Or would you say that most do not even really think when they make the decision to use (at least at first, before an addiction sets in)?

Good question Elizabeth,escape from what some would see as mundane existance,yes!
Others seem to get drawn in by watching the antics and behavior of their peers,then
with the pressures to,"be cool" they inevitably follow.

Pressure from peer groups seems to be main reason to take drugs.

Many in the hippy-days of the 60s,did experiment with LSD,with the idea of mind
expansion,and to seek the truth,and find God!But I think those days are long gone!

btw,I think many found out in their search for God,that it was themselves that were
lost,not God?


regards michael.