[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by <<>> Knowledge can be considered a mixture of consciousness and understanding.

Maybe it could be called a knowingness! Whatdo you say!

kindregards michael.

[harmonygirl]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Knowledge is knowing that you are intelligent, can an ape know that it is intelligent, and could it also reflect on this, no it could not! Regards, Michael.

Michael,
I am not sure I agree with you. Don't we all know (or believe) we are intelligent? Maybe an ape is intelligent? I once speculated that trees were the ultimate incarnation of us, as motion has not really advanced us as beings and as most (eastern) spiritual beliefs counsel silent meditation, which is all trees do...I no longer believe that intelligence contains knowledge. Knowledge, including knowledge of self and of truth and reality, is dependent on so much more than simply intelligence, don't you think?

[Guille]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Maybe it could be called a knowingness! Whatdo you say!

I agree. Computers, for example, cannot be consciouss nor can they understand. That is why I say they can't have knowingness. Even though they can accumulate information and 'learn' and etz.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl Michael, I am not sure I agree with you. Don't we all know (or believe) we are intelligent? Maybe an ape is intelligent? I once speculated that trees were the ultimate incarnation of us, as motion has not really advanced us as beings and as most (eastern) spiritual beliefs counsel silent meditation, which is all trees do...I no longer believe that intelligence contains knowledge. Knowledge, including knowledge of self and of truth and reality, is dependent on so much more than simply intelligence, don't you think?

You have made an excellent point
H.G. and I tend to agree,there is a difference.

kindest regards michael.

[dogmatorium]

Originally Posted by Guille After the question about what is intelligence, this one came into my head. What is Knowledge?

the best friend of Mohammad the last Prophet [Piece and blessing of All-llah be upon him Abu Baker said - Knowledge is life of mind

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by dogmatorium the best friend of Mohammad the last Prophet [Piece and blessing of All-llah be upon him Abu Baker said - Knowledge is life of mind

That seems a very wise saying.


regards michael.

[JAK]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao With respect to oneself, no. two people, yes. Three or more people, surest. The Chinese philosopher Confucius said: He who knows and knows he knows, he is wise, follow him. He who knows and knows not he knows, he is asleep, wake him. He who knows not and knows he knows not he is simple, teach him. He who knows not and knows not he knows not he is a fool, shun him.

As long as we are resurrecting this thread, I would like to return to AntonioLao's quote from Confucius.

The universe is. It exists for all of us, or you are alone and it exists in your mind. It's existence it systematic - processes repeat, objects last from year to year or moment to moment.

Before "He who knows and knows he knows, his is wise, follow him", there is the foundation that "something can be known". In other words, there is a universe. There is something knowable. This is, literally, the universal set - the set of all things that can be known.

IMO, rather than follow anyone, it would be even better to understand the universe, first and foremost. The universe is, the universe is systematic, the wisdom of the universe is embodied by laws governing these systematic processes, and we must follow the universe because it's laws are omnipotent and omnipresent. Since knowledge exists within the universe and survives because of the laws of the universe, the universe can be said to be ominscient, too.

The scientific method is based upon laws of logic (philosophy) which assist us in gleaning knowledge about universal laws.

What is knowledge???

Knowledge can be nothing other than reflections of the universe in which we exist.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by JAK As long as we are resurrecting this thread, I would like to return to AntonioLao's quote from Confucius. The universe is. It exists for all of us, or you are alone and it exists in your mind. It's existence it systematic - processes repeat, objects last from year to year or moment to moment. Before "He who knows and knows he knows, his is wise, follow him", there is the foundation that "something can be known". In other words, there is a universe. There is something knowable. This is, literally, the universal set - the set of all things that can be known. IMO, rather than follow anyone, it would be even better to understand the universe, first and foremost. The universe is, the universe is systematic, the wisdom of the universe is embodied by laws governing these systematic processes, and we must follow the universe because it's laws are omnipotent and omnipresent. Since knowledge exists within the universe and survives because of the laws of the universe, the universe can be said to be ominscient, too. The scientific method is based upon laws of logic (philosophy) which assist us in gleaning knowledge about universal laws. What is knowledge??? Knowledge can be nothing other than reflections of the universe in which we exist.

Jak,that makes real sense to me,all knowledge seems to operate on a reflective principle.
regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

Being able to reflect,to know that you know,that is have a consciousness that knowledge
exists,and then to use this understanding in the most positive way.



regards michael.