Cultural Complexities Affecting Childhood Development

[G_burnett]

Hi Graham....I can always depend on you to produce an incredible insight and leave the reader with ponder....smiles....
How important is self-worth? To me it should be the foundational principle which holds up and supports a life. Alot of effort must go into the forming of self-worth and our lack of understanding in that area always leaves me to ponder the dilemma of why we continue to hurt and harm one another without even realizing the straits that harm and hurt is enacted in...although it is true we can perform these actions without awareness or unknowing would it not be truer that maybe the word "responsibility" is really about the development of our ability to respond, in other words "response-ability". Is it the element of us which gets impaired as our perceptual systems are building????


Thanks Mikal

the interactions between children are just what they are .. interactions between children .. they have to be recognized as not children between adults or adults between children or adults between adults or god forbid TV and children and discussed in the building accordingly giving the children credit for who they are .... IMHO ~ Graham

[Mikal]

Hi Graham....thanks for comment. When I was classroom trained in College, this interractional polarity is one of the issues I brought out as being rather twisted in Gestalt crapola as you would say.

Mental health workers are trained to see behavior exchange which eliminates the sheer beauty of children's responses and reactions to their own environments. It is natural spontaneity and innocense that identifies children as incredible little people but that is railroaded in the mind-set which has pervaded many of their life environments. In my opinion all efforts today are directed towards effectively changing the mind-set of our collective society....


Mikal

[Everyman]

My husband and I are not the head of household. From the scale of our family unit we all contribute unique gifts for the benefit of all. With the time variable I've been in this life 37 years. In the big picture time is realtive and if our ds understands things more completely at the age of 11, cool. Even if he hasn't spelled as many words or washed as many dishes as I have.

I didn't mean to disrespect the school system. I appologize. I do see both the positive and negative aspects. My step-mother is a well respected teacher in this area. I respect her ability to help many children, who have no choice but to be in school, love learning. She truly loves what she does. I have less respect for her ability to openly and honestly communicate with her "family" and help them learn self-worth. She didn't come in to my life until I was 16. I wasn't her responsibility, I was already ruined. Trust me when I say, It's never too late.

In our culture people have been manipulated to believe others know best what works for someone-else. Unfortunately it mostly works best for them-selves at the expense of others. (ds name for his kindergarten teacher, "miss selfish"- again, insightful for age 5). Why were schools for the masses created? Some say it was to create worker bees for the industrial revolution. I don't really know. I suspect there is truth to it. Now, teachers are scrambling to find a way to connect with the minds of children today. Education is big business and a lot of people's monetary profit is threatened.

My Grandfather(paternal) was a self-made man right out of the Great Depression. He never finished school, yet amassed wealth at the expense of his childrens self-worth and hoarded it. Today they compete with each other to see who can build the best McMansion, raise the best kids, build the most monetary wealth and spend it. My parents divorced early and we(sister/mother) were left to survive on welfare.

It saddens me and frustrates me that I can't help some people. I learned early that money doesn't make you happy and successful and the lack of money doesn't keep people from being happy and successful.

This is draining, I let too much emotion in.

Val

P.S. Thank for the warm welcome.

[G_burnett]

........ In my opinion all efforts today are directed towards effectively changing the mind-set of our collective society....


Mikal

social control as i believe before mention has been a serious ponder to me for many years and motive at times to expose.

in the advent of profiling we take what we have of the circumstance an match it to the persona ... a fellow put a bomb on a car, he used heavy black wire, a small battery in a crown royal cloth bag to isolate the possible grounding, he used igniter's found in hobby rocketry and in for a switch used a cloths peg for a switch. where if run over it closes.

He was not very smart using such heavy gage wire to the size of the battery. The wire is used in the trucking or heavy machinery industry. He has a high end drinking habit with extended ego and again support for stupidity factor.

The clothes peg though use was the most indicative clue ... it is used by older from the county type persona having a cloths line, female, older woman ... mother to the perp?

First checking local rocketry clubs found a singular school that does this.

Further it uses the rarity of switch as used.

this told us the perp was local, had gone to school there and was a member of that club and a time frame of a few years where they not only had the club but used the close peg.

With out looking at the pictures of members a cross reference to suspects
involved with the victim at the time came up with one person who was in the fringes of trucking and mechanical inclined, had drinking partners who drank crown royal, and lived in an apartment with his mother after moving from the country when his dad died.

That was enough to say it was him but did he act alone. the victim in casual conversation with him afterwords had the suspect near immediate give the info that yes he remembered that night as he and a few friends had been at the Husky restaurant south of Edmonton at the time ... and further casual talk with his girl associate had reveal of his friends name there as they had spoke of the attempted bomb event when the victim was not around ...

How to prove it? Information you see is very valuable. Sure enough as time went on the perp got arrested or something totally minor of crime and unrelated. The victim near blown up calls the other three and says Hey guess who ... think id never ind out what you did? Tony Fedorchuck is in jail an guess what he is doing ... " well the three out did what was expected.

The four were reported to the staff Sarge who had shelved the file but then called in all three and interviewed Tony. They all had the exact same alibi of three months earlier. The staff Sarge said yep thats them, the victim ... are going to charge them? the reply no there is not enough to do that...

Who told the victim was there most ponderous thought .. why are we not charged and most of all in there guilt ... what will happen now he knows, what will he do?

They all broke up as friends not knowing who talked ... more guilt manifest.

Then they self destructed, guilt does that. it took less then a year ... suicide for one as his marriage business and family broke up, drinking for another, twenty years to life for a third for shooting a fellow coming to his door for a tow truck call needed at night and him thinking it was the victim through the curtain and the forth ... he just disappeared to occasionally be seen by the victim in public to to have who ever he is with told of his nature and stupidity ...

This is an example of manipulative control using information and hinted at above. The people manipulated had no idea and do not even to this day ..

It goes on an on Mikal ... knowing of the game people play puts you out of the box to see it because the plays might be different but the game is the same ... it has one root .. information base and just because one is out of the game by choice does not mean he can not play when he wants too and that is why he will win and they will lose ... always.

Bored, food for thought ~ regards Graham

foot note ... the events of guilt manifested hurt the family of the suicide, the inocent getting shot, and i am sure the wasted skin of the others putrid to the social order all are not good and such the game is ... the event of none of the three called reporting the call to the RCMP as a nut case just called me sort of report an inocent man would have done getting such a call of threat ... that to proved there guilt.... society failed again.

[Mikal]

Hi Val....I am deeply touched by your emotional outpouring here....nothing wrong with that at all and certainly no apology needed. It would serve us all much better if there were more empathic presence in and with life.

I do not take your responces as disrespectful to the educational system so again no need to apologize. I of course make it my business to talk with teachers and know there are good and bad teachers, there are teachers who teach from the educational mandate and there are teachers who teach from their passion to teach. I have little repect for the system but always try to respect the teacher role as people I can get to know and engage in useful constructive conversation as to what is going on. I simply remember that alot of them do not even realize the bigger picture.

I understand your experience with a step-mother because for me my Dad died at six and I was raised in this step-father experience. I myself did not suffer from that as my Dad and I shared good communication about the experience. However, I have a few sisters and a brother who did not fare as well. So I certainly can understand your reflections upon the experience. "Its never too late"...I typically like that expression in reference to we have choices about "victimhood"....I chose not to be a victim but to look at the experience and what I learned about life from it....

Your summation about why school was created for the masses is quite correct in the sense that mandatory school attendance did flow along and out of societal forces creating the Industrial Revolution and work related roles needed to fulfill that economic happening driving society.

Yes we can be self-taught and self-made people. It is only societal viewpoints that we must have BAs, MAs and numerous identifying letters beyond our name and diplomas to hang on our walls.

Again I am deeply touched by your own realizations about family history and the conflictions which you and your mom experienced. That is quite alright to express them here, it is this genuine honesty about life which has the emotional power to reach and impress the reader into a realization that we are genuinely connected to our experience of our lives.

Thank you again for bringing your thoughts here....

Mikal

[Mikal]

social control as i believe before mention has been a serious ponder to me for many years and motive at times to expose.

in the advent of profiling we take what we have of the circumstance an match it to the persona ... a fellow put a bomb on a car, he used heavy black wire, a small battery in a crown royal cloth bag to isolate the possible grounding, he used igniter's found in hobby rocketry and in for a switch used a cloths peg for a switch. where if run over it closes.

He was not very smart using such heavy gage wire to the size of the battery. The wire is used in the trucking or heavy machinery industry. He has a high end drinking habit with extended ego and again support for stupidity factor.

The clothes peg though use was the most indicative clue ... it is used by older from the county type persona having a cloths line, female, older woman ... mother to the perp?

First checking local rocketry clubs found a singular school that does this.

Further it uses the rarity of switch as used.

this told us the perp was local, had gone to school there and was a member of that club and a time frame of a few years where they not only had the club but used the close peg.

With out looking at the pictures of members a cross reference to suspects
involved with the victim at the time came up with one person who was in the fringes of trucking and mechanical inclined, had drinking partners who drank crown royal, and lived in an apartment with his mother after moving from the country when his dad died.

That was enough to say it was him but did he act alone. the victim in casual conversation with him afterwords had the suspect near immediate give the info that yes he remembered that night as he and a few friends had been at the Husky restaurant south of Edmonton at the time ... and further casual talk with his girl associate had reveal of his friends name there as they had spoke of the attempted bomb event when the victim was not around ...

How to prove it? Information you see is very valuable. Sure enough as time went on the perp got arrested or something totally minor of crime and unrelated. The victim near blown up calls the other three and says Hey guess who ... think id never ind out what you did? Tony Fedorchuck is in jail an guess what he is doing ... " well the three out did what was expected.

The four were reported to the staff Sarge who had shelved the file but then called in all three and interviewed Tony. They all had the exact same alibi of three months earlier. The staff Sarge said yep thats them, the victim ... are going to charge them? the reply no there is not enough to do that...

Who told the victim was there most ponderous thought .. why are we not charged and most of all in there guilt ... what will happen now he knows, what will he do?

They all broke up as friends not knowing who talked ... more guilt manifest.

Then they self destructed, guilt does that. it took less then a year ... suicide for one as his marriage business and family broke up, drinking for another, twenty years to life for a third for shooting a fellow coming to his door for a tow truck call needed at night and him thinking it was the victim through the curtain and the forth ... he just disappeared to occasionally be seen by the victim in public to to have who ever he is with told of his nature and stupidity ...

This is an example of manipulative control using information and hinted at above. The people manipulated had no idea and do not even to this day ..

It goes on an on Mikal ... knowing of the game people play puts you out of the box to see it because the plays might be different but the game is the same ... it has one root .. information base and just because one is out of the game by choice does not mean he can not play when he wants too and that is why he will win and they will lose ... always.

Bored, food for thought ~ regards Graham

foot note ... the events of guilt manifested hurt the family of the suicide, the inocent getting shot, and i am sure the wasted skin of the others putrid to the social order all are not good and such the game is ... the event of none of the three called reporting the call to the RCMP as a nut case just called me sort of report an inocent man would have done getting such a call of threat ... that to proved there guilt.... society failed again.

Graham....can I tell you that to understand all of the above you must have developed a strong ability to have a sense of exclusivity from the mind-set of society. You must be in my generational group because it is one of our defining characteristics which gives us the advantage of standing on the fringe of society in the state of being observationally participant with its moving unseen forces.

Social failure is about culturing rather than socializing as society draws its new members into itself. As long as we have human interest stories like the above before us we can never say that we are a civilized society. Culturing is about "control and manipulation"....socializing is about realizing the existential experience of society's new members and not leading them into a false idea that the reality of life before them is in a fixed state so co-operating with them to view life as numerous problems they will meet and have to solve...to do that solving it would be nice to teach and encourage strong problem solving skills.....


Thanks G....Mikal

[Mikal]

Hi Graham....your statement "manipulative control using information" I call the "Literary Movement" which I began to follow and study many years ago. I looked at this movement, like this is a channel through which to move a great deal of information with the objective to dismantle and change older ways of thinking and feeling about life and of course inevitably collapse the existing social fabric of society. (This actual force in society began to build in 1933 which began the dismantling of traditional social structures.)

I used to go into the book stores and hang out at the New Age shelves, engaging all interested into conversation and questions like, "why does this information interest you? Do you find it conflicts with your present knowledge about life? Do you ever go into the quandary where you muse as to if this is disinformation? Are you taking it in or questioning it? I would then rush out to my car and record all answers. ( you could say at that time my office was in my car....chuckles...)

I then began to monitor and examine the "Media Movement" going back in time and tracing all the information which revealed massive information capacities building and amalgamating within society. I felt this developing force would have a huge capacity for channeling information and disinformation throughout the mass of society.

I knew all this was about manipulative control and that people were not ready for it so it could go two directions; in one direction those like myself taking the movement to question and in the other direction those who would be influenced and flow unknowingly with the information.

Whats the solution to this problem of using information for manipulative control of the masses??? Study the principles of communism and familiarize yourself with the tools used to move misleading information through the social fabric of society.....

Thanks for the ponder G....


Mikal

[G_burnett]

Hi Graham....your statement "manipulative control using information" I call the "Literary Movement" which I began to follow and study many years ago. I looked at this movement, like this is a channel through which to move a great deal of information with the objective to dismantle and change older ways of thinking and feeling about life and of course inevitably collapse the existing social fabric of society. (This actual force in society began to build in 1933 which began the dismantling of traditional social structures.)

I used to go into the book stores and hang out at the New Age shelves, engaging all interested into conversation and questions like, "why does this information interest you? Do you find it conflicts with your present knowledge about life? Do you ever go into the quandary where you muse as to if this is disinformation? Are you taking it in or questioning it? I would then rush out to my car and record all answers. ( you could say at that time my office was in my car....chuckles...)

I then began to monitor and examine the "Media Movement" going back in time and tracing all the information which revealed massive information capacities building and amalgamating within society. I felt this developing force would have a huge capacity for channeling information and disinformation throughout the mass of society.

I knew all this was about manipulative control and that people were not ready for it so it could go two directions; in one direction those like myself taking the movement to question and in the other direction those who would be influenced and flow unknowingly with the information.

Whats the solution to this problem of using information for manipulative control of the masses??? Study the principles of communism and familiarize yourself with the tools used to move misleading information through the social fabric of society.....

Thanks for the ponder G....


Mikal

yes ... your welcome .. a short time ago i took a business
communication course at NIC Courtney and it was being given by the then newly defunct from office NDP communist party lady who was in charge of the propaganda getting out in the right way. We had some talks on this too so i know exactly where you are coming from. I get a kick out the way our present mislead is to establishing water meters as some sort of trade off to unwanted housing development issues lol ... like to bad, people want to live here? your to late resources are maxed out and why should we suffer for them? lol its just a money grab later and acts by the money at hand being a bully ... so many fall for such garbage though jeez .. smiles graham

[Mikal]

Hi Graham.....yeh we live in an informational world but never as much information since the earth decided to have a birthday and move from the Age of Religion (Pisces) to the Age of Communication (Aquarius). Now were swamped with information which has seen us move through earthquakes of change, catastrophic change in traditions and values. Of course with 24 news which is excessive with disaster and dark news people who do not understand communication and do not know how to move their mind to the quality of developing reason with communication either cannot or have grave difficulty achieving a summation of what is going on in the world. What happens out there affects what happens inside of ourselves..... Not many people understand that society contains a mood which affects all its participants...


Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

Even a family can go happier/toxic due to a contagious mood of a participant; we all have an uncle, grandmother, or such that is to be avoided or at least tolerated through detachment, but there are still involuntary effects of affects…

Even forums, such as the Bad Astronomy Baud site where all seems toxic.