Is it a Dilemma Or Diffidence ?

[lamedvavnik]

Hello Friends,

Its nice to be here in this forum. I have a different query.

Many of the participants in this forum, are highly matured and have understood life in a new dimension. Both scientifically and Spiritually. In this state, a human perceives life as ever flowing and doesn't give importance to certain aspects as - Money, Power, Relationships, etc. In a nutshell - A matured person doesn't get affected by worldly things. Definitely Spirituality helps human a lot to reach such a state.

But, this understanding of life, definitely adds up more problems to the person. Because it happens to yet another common man - who lives in a normal worldly life, who is earning, who is in a family and who is in the society. But after a point, where a human understands that these worldly things aren't important in human life - he / she can't walk out of the home just like that and become a saint. Its practically difficult. It certainly needs more will power and mere understanding won't help much. You should have a strong confidence in what you have understood. There is always a fear, because of the upbringing. You are always told from your childhood that Meaning of Life is - Being Successful with money and power. It takes a lot of pressure to Unlearn those knowledge.

Have anyone in the forum been into such situations, where in you know that doing certain things doesn't take you anywhere - but you still have to do because of the situations.? i.e. With all the understanding you know that Money, Power etc., is not the ultimate goal of life - But still you continue chasing them. Personal experiences are welcome.
Thanks.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Well, if you can find something that you like to do as work then it kind of already half does itself. I just happened to like computer programing and had to wonder sometimes why I was getting paid a lot for it for 30 years. Times got tough, though, around the middle of it, and I could see whole buildings of people getting laid off all around me—and lucky was I to be in the eye of the hurricane.

But, in general I noted an abundance of really serious people around the whole time, plus more when the company kept raising the bar, lots of them working overtime. I had to work smarter, which I luckily already had started doing by always using smaller programs (that I knew to work) to make the larger programs.

As for life, it gets lived even when all seems busy-busy or life dies, so I walked the halls during lunch to see who actually didn't work through lunch and went out into the world and such we became a social net of those who still wished to live and have fun. If we had fun a bit too long during a scenic lunch on the riverside, we could always make it up later and stay for the free dinner at work, but the happiness of living seemed to make the real work go better and faster.

Now I am 60 and saved money went fast, but there will always be a fun place to live, even in a tent or a van or a cabin somewhere if the whole economy collapses.

[r.p.bibra]

Hello Friends,

Its nice to be here in this forum. I have a different query.


Have anyone in the forum been into such situations, where in you know that doing certain things doesn't take you anywhere - but you still have to do because of the situations.? i.e. With all the understanding you know that Money, Power etc., is not the ultimate goal of life - But still you continue chasing them. Personal experiences are welcome.

Thanks.

Yes dear i have an ideal example you are looking for, but as your query in not that simple that a few paragraphs could sum up the whole meaning of life! So there is a blog of a fellow(little-self---not real name.Not disclosed because of legal complications) i know personally who lived a life in exactly the same conditions and circumstances and had the guts and gumption to come out the morass he was enamored and find the real meaning of life on his own terms! If you have the patience then do visit 'r.p.bibra' blog, you would at least be inspired to seek and look beyond that we were placed in the scheme of nature! Love&regards.ls.
p.s. in the scheme of nature a person/unit is not important, not it is that insignificant that it had no place in the over-all scenario, but what we seek and is not the role of a single clog or of the wheel, but of the ‘principle/intelligence’ which drives the chariot of life! Since you asked about a ‘living’ example, therefore this voluntary option, which you could ignore it otherwise!

[Mikal]

Hello Friends,

Its nice to be here in this forum. I have a different query.

Many of the participants in this forum, are highly matured and have understood life in a new dimension. Both scientifically and Spiritually. In this state, a human perceives life as ever flowing and doesn't give importance to certain aspects as - Money, Power, Relationships, etc. In a nutshell - A matured person doesn't get affected by worldly things. Definitely Spirituality helps human a lot to reach such a state.

But, this understanding of life, definitely adds up more problems to the person. Because it happens to yet another common man - who lives in a normal worldly life, who is earning, who is in a family and who is in the society. But after a point, where a human understands that these worldly things aren't important in human life - he / she can't walk out of the home just like that and become a saint. Its practically difficult. It certainly needs more will power and mere understanding won't help much. You should have a strong confidence in what you have understood. There is always a fear, because of the upbringing. You are always told from your childhood that Meaning of Life is - Being Successful with money and power. It takes a lot of pressure to Unlearn those knowledge.

Have anyone in the forum been into such situations, where in you know that doing certain things doesn't take you anywhere - but you still have to do because of the situations.? i.e. With all the understanding you know that Money, Power etc., is not the ultimate goal of life - But still you continue chasing them. Personal experiences are welcome.
Thanks.

Hi Lam....after 60 years of living I can tell you that I think it creates major problems to always search for a meaning of life. I know from my own life that I am spiritual in nature but I am also a physical being in a body. That has to count for something especially the importance to be more present here in life and with life. I don't worry about these things anymore, I just live the best life I can and try to be the best I can with all I meet and I try to stay with situations regardless of how they are making me feel and I especially try to understand the hardships and peril that other people are struggling with. We cannot avoid money, without we cannot survive so it is a part of our lives. Power is not important to me, its more important that I understand power assmetry between people so I can hold my own in most situations....it tends to make life easier....I say just live each day as it comes and deal with what it brings....



Mikal

[lamedvavnik]

Hi all,

Thanks for the replies.


To Austin.

Well, Yes, you derive the happiness in everything you do, right from your job and all other activities outside the office, and things go on easily. You had said even if the whole economy collapses - there is a fun place to live. Totally Agreed that, Happiness and Fun place is just how u personally define it. But also knowing that you are not limited, to spend your time in front of the computers doing programming and when you have a boundless option to live a free life anywhere. and in anyway, what is the drive that made you continue to do your job? I know that life needs money to survive. But i feel survival is not the only factor. A human can survive in this world anywhere and in any way.

Now u can ask me - if i am asking such query - and being open to live in any place - why am sitting at my home and typing so much on the computer. Why am not a nomad yet? That exactly is my problem. Am not able to make a decision - where in to completely TRUST my understanding and also not able to deny the fact of fear based on the idea of life created by the society. Am not able to break free my knowledge imbibed in me from my childhood.

To Bibra.

Thanks. I know that searching about the Principle / Intelligence that drives the existence, is hard. But i think there should be a way to it. I will read your blog. Hope I get myself cleared.

To Mikal.

Thanks. I know asking a person with an experience of 60 years, about the purpose of life will make him feel worried. Still i don't believe that survival is alone what life is for. Hence i always doubt money and other aspects that are created in the society is definitely not a vital component. Even without all these - THERE IS LIFE.But i have certain queries to which am not able to get a justified answer.


I know that asking such question to u all people may sound insane - but i just want to know how many of you are in such a confused state?

How many of you have adjusted yourself in the cycle of life - saying that being open to the day's happening is the maximum that can be done by a human? There is nothing more can be done about the Life.

How many of you TRUST there is a Supreme power which is in this existence?

How many of you accept that Life is Predetermined, but still you have an option of Free will?

How many people have crossed (or seen others near you who crossed) the pressure of survival - and with a complete TRUST in that SUPREME POWER, have let go the lives in THE SUPREME POWER's hand?

I know that these factors has to be experienced on my own and not again a knowledge. But still was inquisitive. Hence this thread.

Thanks.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Life is determined by learning and so then more options come along such that the choices made today are not necessarily the same as those made tomorrow.

So, choices may change, but in principle one's will is as it should be, given what you have become, and it wouldn't be useful any other way, so, free choice from what is available, yes, but free will, no, for none can will what does the willing.

You can, perhaps, at a more global brain level, review what some of our more simpleton littler minds comes up with, counting to 10 to allow for a more creative response, that is, if one is not a totally reactive person, so, free won't, yes, it seems possible.

The key is to use "free won't" it in much less obvious cases than "Well, I guess I won't kill that bad driver even though I just thought to do so a few seconds ago." (Lucky a gun wasn't handy, too.)

[lamedvavnik]

Absolutely true that all the choices that are made by a human in any given situation is again will get executed, if and only if it has to be executed...

SO, drop the dilemma and drop the thought of diffidence... Just Be... Ok friends... Thanks a lot...