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    Re: Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Causes, Effects, Symptoms & Treatment

    Some times I think the psychological is completely dependent on the physiological..

    In cases where I’ve seen people acquired a disorder like distress, they weren’t completely physically or psychologically fit to begin with.

    Our brains are an amazing machine, to think that you couldn’t or cant move on from something is, hard to believe.

    Working with phobias or disorders is very similar it takes time and support to move on. Sometimes it’s frustrating when you have tried every thing you know to help some one and they remain the same. It has left me to believe that sometimes the wiring of our brains just cant be fixed. Yet I’ve been proven wrong several times.

    Just like the trigger that creates a disorder the trigger to fix it is often illusive.

    (none of this is to say some ones pain isn't real, I know to well that it is.)

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    Re: Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Causes, Effects, Symptoms & Treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by greenbug View Post
    Some times I think the psychological is completely dependent on the physiological..

    In cases where I’ve seen people acquired a disorder like distress, they weren’t completely physically or psychologically fit to begin with.

    Our brains are an amazing machine, to think that you couldn’t or cant move on from something is, hard to believe.

    Working with phobias or disorders is very similar it takes time and support to move on. Sometimes it’s frustrating when you have tried every thing you know to help some one and they remain the same. It has left me to believe that sometimes the wiring of our brains just cant be fixed. Yet I’ve been proven wrong several times.

    Just like the trigger that creates a disorder the trigger to fix it is often illusive.

    (none of this is to say some ones pain isn't real, I know to well that it is.)
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    Re: Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Causes, Effects, Symptoms & Treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by greenbug View Post
    Some times I think the psychological is completely dependent on the physiological..

    In cases where I’ve seen people acquired a disorder like distress, they weren’t completely physically or psychologically fit to begin with.

    Our brains are an amazing machine, to think that you couldn’t or cant move on from something is, hard to believe.

    Working with phobias or disorders is very similar it takes time and support to move on. Sometimes it’s frustrating when you have tried every thing you know to help some one and they remain the same. It has left me to believe that sometimes the wiring of our brains just cant be fixed. Yet I’ve been proven wrong several times.

    Just like the trigger that creates a disorder the trigger to fix it is often illusive.


    (none of this is to say some ones pain isn't real, I know to well that it is.)
    When a broken bone heals, often the site of the fracture is now stronger than the original break, depending on the location.

    So, too, with injuries to one's mind, speaking of the psyche, not the physical, in this instance.

    There are many experiences which we may have, from which we shall grow and become stronger.

    There are also experiences that strike at the foundation of our beliefs and thinking processes, that, while they may be shored up, and can be utilized in further building our understanding, may also limit us.

    Any structure, physical or psychological, when built on a damaged foundation, is at risk, under certain circumstances, those circumstances being variable to the individual.

    I would suggest, that no one is 100% physically or psychologically fit, at least I have encountered no one. The very capable, or seemingly so, are just much better at keeping their instabilities from view. We are all 'damaged goods', and the ideal of 'perfection' is but another of our concepts that jollies us along our way.

    Male and female, culture to culture, we are all different in this regard. What one may laugh at, may be injurious to another. Physical strength is no indicator of mental capacity, and children are amongst the most resilient of us, or indeed, our species would not have made it thus far.

    Perhaps that is also one of the sources of our recurring disturbance, for the young mind may not have the parameters to put many early experiences into a context, and so may have to revisit same, time and again, as new data is acquired, even if this revisiting is done at the subconscious level?
    So many paths to the same destination,
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    Re: Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Causes, Effects, Symptoms & Treatment

    Yes, we are all damaged goods, labelwench...and, so many differing nuances of damage! This is why we need to be tolerant and somehow extend kindness to one another, dispite our differences.

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    Perhaps that is also one of the sources of our recurring disturbance, for the young mind may not have the parameters to put many early experiences into a context, and so may have to revisit same, time and again, as new data is acquired, even if this revisiting is done at the subconscious level?

    Good point...it certainly reminds us that rather than indiscriminately indulge young minds, it is our responsibility to consistently and gently encourage self -discipline.
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    Re: Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Causes, Effects, Symptoms & Treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by leskey View Post
    Yes, we are all damaged goods, labelwench...and, so many differing nuances of damage! This is why we need to be tolerant and somehow extend kindness to one another, dispite our differences.

    LABELWENCH QUOTE:
    Perhaps that is also one of the sources of our recurring disturbance, for the young mind may not have the parameters to put many early experiences into a context, and so may have to revisit same, time and again, as new data is acquired, even if this revisiting is done at the subconscious level?

    Good point...it certainly reminds us that rather than indiscriminately indulge young minds, it is our responsibility to consistently and gently encourage self -discipline.
    Yes.

    We must 'Harness first, the horse of your imagination', which to my mind, speaks of the self-discipline you mention.

    Training the literal horse to harness must be done with much thought and understanding of the concerns and perspective of the horse. The horse must accept the concept of the harness and exercise self discipline in overcoming the fear of restraint, which such training entails, and which is natural to the horse.

    So must we discipline our thoughts, not to imprison them, but in actual fact, to liberate them.

    While such may appear to be a paradox, in reality, it is not.
    So many paths to the same destination,
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    Re: Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Causes, Effects, Symptoms & Treatment

    Webster's definitions follow:

    Ganglion: A mass of nerve cells outside the central nervous system; also, nucleus. Parts and combinations of nerves.
    (Thesaurus) Bundle, cord, nerve, nerve cell, neuron, nucleus, synapse, white matter.

    Synapse: The point at which a nervous impulse passes from one neuron to another.

    Engram: A hypothetical change in neural tissue postulated in order to account for persistence of memory. Rememberances. Memory. Recollection. Reminiscence.

    Exemplary settings regarding the acquirement-of or resilience-to post traumatic stress disorder:
    Three individual people can be exposed to the same trauma at the same time and place - one may acquire post traumatic stress, and recover; one may not experience any post facto symptoms at all, except an unpleasant memory which does not otherwise impact them beyond superficially, and, one may acquire severe post traumatic stress disorder. Ex parte symptoms can and do vary from a mild disconcertation, to a complete departure from reality, amounting to catatonia - such as that observed in some victims of extreme circumstances. These various responses have a great deal to do with the life experiences - individual histories - preceding the subjected traumatic event(s); the number of exposures to various types of trauma is also an important factor.

    Much information regarding the causes, effects, symptoms and remedies for post traumatic stress disorder is still in relatively new research stages. Every person from birth, struggles, suffers, and perishes. While the experiences are as diverse as the circumstance of each individual lifetime.

    Imho, as the entries of this thread accumulate, perhaps without exception, there is to one degree or other, a remarkable sentient acknowledgement of the neurophysical factors involved in the dynamics of PTS and PTSD, accompanied by an awareness that the same experiential stimuli may effect different individuals in different ways. While there are commonplace misunderstandings about this, notably, such misconceptions don't seem to be emerging in the contributions. While clinical mind-set is in evidence, condescension and denigration (including misplaced 'tough love') is commendably absent. The First Law of Medicine - Do No Harm - seems to be holding out swimmingly, herein. : )


 

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