[mkirkpatrick]

Dragonsclaw,
thanks for your comments,you asked a question in your last post,what is the speed of gravity?Would that not depend on how attractive the object was?
Strange as it might seem no oneon this planet fully understands gravity,why do
you think this is,we feel its effects daily do we not!There is an old saying which
says that the truth is aways hidden in plain sight.I challenge you my friend to
find it,and make a name for yourself.


kind regards michael.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Guille; Neither Newton nor Einstein contributed much to society, only to academic sciences. It is quite obvious that those presenting the TV program do not know much about the history of science. Michelson, Hertz, Dirac, Pasture, Madam Curie, and hundreds of other scientist have made greater contributions to science and society than either of them. Dave

But Einstein's work on photons help for computers, solar pannels, gps....a lot, and Newton's gravity is still used for satelites, asteroids, engeneeres...

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by <<>> But Einstein's work on photons help for computers, solar pannels, gps....a lot, and Newton's gravity is still used for satelites, asteroids, engeneeres...

Hi Guille;
How many lives were saved by their work? Did they find a cure for some disease or present a means to grow more food to feed the masses of the world?

The real heroes of science are not always in the text books; they spend their lives dedicated to finding those things that improved the quality of life and wellbeing for our species and even the other forms of life on this "Mother Earth".

Guille; you wouldn't be trying to draw me into a philosophical debate would you????
I'm sure my opinions have no more value than anyone else's.
How would you measure one's contributions?

[Guille]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Hi Guille; How many lives were saved by their work? Did they find a cure for some disease or present a means to grow more food to feed the masses of the world?

But science is not only about saving lives, but also improving them. Or is not better to have internet, so that a commuity as this one can discuss ideas? If Einstein was taken from history, toequest wouldn't be here, and I can assure you that I would had forgotten about physics, accepted what I read in the Elegant Universe, and never wonder again about the universe. Also, actually yes, Einstein saved lifes because some (several9 electronic devices used in surgery requier the technology derived from his theories. And so did newton, because what if we couldn't calculate the orbits, wouldn't had Armstrong got lost in the universe? hahaha...

Originally Posted by dleviwing The real heroes of science are not always in the text books; they spend their lives dedicated to finding those things that improved the quality of life and wellbeing for our species and even the other forms of life on this "Mother Earth".

I agree. It is not only Einstein and Newton, we talk of them because they made special contributions, but there are millions of scienists...

Originally Posted by dleviwing Guille; you wouldn't be trying to draw me into a philosophical debate would you????

Sorry, it is as inevitable that I drive you into philosophical discussion as that apples fall to the ground.

Originally Posted by dleviwing I'm sure my opinions have no more value than anyone else's. How would you measure one's contributions?

Interesting question. I started a thread in the "thinkers" forum of philosophy, where I've posted what different ways could be used to measure greatness of thought... But contribution has failures. A person dedicated to economy, like (to give an example) my father, would measure contribution by money obtained frm derivations of it, a historian or geographer, by how it changed the events of humanity, a psycologist or an anthropolgist, by how important they were in the minds and behaviour, a biologist or a chemist by how it improve the bodies and lifes (in the biological sense), a physicist by how many laws of nature can be derived from it... A philosopher, humm... A philosopher, would, after a long, long time, of profound thought, conclude that it is subjective and relative to how we measure it (that is, saying a lot of tihngs which actually end up in something we all knew before and which is actually wrong)... An artist, an artist would say by how original they are... But if you are asking me, then I cannot give you an anwer, for I am (play to be) a scientist from all disciplines, a philosopher from all systems and an artist from all movements.

[dleviwing]

Hi Guille;

"If by a word you influence the destiny of a child to accomplish great tasks; to whom is honor bestowed and who will feel the pride?" "If by a word you influence the destiny of a child to destroy a nation; on whom is the blame bestowed and who will feel the shame?" Take heed thy educator of children, for the destiny of all lies before you.

This is a saying that was on the wall of a principles office (as best that I can remember) when I was even younger than yourself. The final line was a warning to teachers to be careful what they taught. No one individual carries the honor or the blame for the fait of the human race. We all must feel the pride, and all must feel the shame.

BTW: Newton we needed; Without Einstein, we would probably already have a TOE by now. Einstein showed that if the numbers worked, it really didn't matter if the interpretation of them had a logical paradigm. This left the door wide open to any mathematical scheme that provided good numbers regardless of the irrational terminology and violations to logic; thus QM and now there are those who wish to continue the conundrum with string theory.

But this is just another opinion and not worth much.

[mkirkpatrick]

all minds add to the collective consciousness,whether great or small.just think
of the power that is generated here on the toe forum,howquickly our ideas can
be around the world,at the speed of light,a wave length that touches other
computers in an instant,think how long it would have taken an idea of Platos
to goaround the world?
We have a pool of knowledge here,that the worldcan dive into and learn
something.what a wonderful legacy that we leave to our kin?



kind regards michael.

[michellemfry]

I never thought I would say this but Einstein had to be wrong. He said nothing could exist that went faster than the speed of light. Why can't it exist? It would just be faster, no drama, no problem for whatever was capable. Can anyone comment on what might have been meant? Thanks.

[mkirkpatrick]

When you talk of speed,you will then set a snare for yourself!When you use different names(for the same thing)you will become confused?What is the
difference say,in sound and light-well there is no difference,well there is one
small difference,and that is vibrational rate,in essence they are the same!Light
can move very slow when it is called sound,faster when it is called light,and faster than that when called a tachyon?The speed of light can be very slow and
be called ultra-sound,elephants use it often,or it can even reach the speed of
LIFE,which is so fast-That it is Motionless!!


kind regards michael.

[michellemfry]

The speed of life, which is so fast it is motionless, means that it still exists, right? Like the fire of the fire, the sway in an ocean, the gravity that fails to hold me as I fall also holds the entire universe from collapsing in on me. Now that my dear Michael is gravity. Thank God for that one for me will you. I think I'm in the restraining order of fraternal whatever's. I haven't thought about a creator, I've been so obsessed with Creation for awhile now. I don't believe in evolution from apes. Evolution yes, but not as descendants from any animal. We are made of laws and language and learning. Those are our ancestors. And rocks, definitely rocks.
This ought to get a reaction!