What are Quanta made of?

[subversion]

By definition, the smallest integral component of reality must be both "infinitely" small and "infinitely" dense. In other words, the most fundamental component of everything is composed of nothing but itself. Therefore, at the most fundamental and absolute level something is the same thing as what it is made of. Therefore for something to exist at the most fundamental level it must be composed of itself. If you can not say for sure that something is composed of itself, then you can not say for sure that it is anything at all. Therefore anything which does not necessarily contain itself must necessarily contain nothing. Therefore the set of all sets which do not contain themselves is the empty set, and whether or not the empty set contains itself is an irrelevant question, since the empty set has no value anyway.

In conclusion, the smallest amount of something that composes everything must be infinitely small and infinitely dense. Therefore something must be composed of nothing but itself, which is to say that there is something which must be composed of everything. In other words, everything is composed of small little bits of everything, therefore everything is composed of itself. Everything is always made out of itself, because things which exists ARE simply what they are COMPOSED of. Anything which we can not tell if it is composed of itself or not is simply something which does not exist (as far as we can see). So everything is made out of itself (small little bits) and nothing is not made out of anything per se, therefore nothing may or may not be made out of itself, we cannot tell. Therefore the logical solution to Russell's paradox is that the set of all sets which do not contain themselves must simply be the empty set, and whether or not the emptiness contains itself is a question that has no meaning, in that it deludes the meaning of emptiness. WHether or not the set of sets which do not contain themselves contains itself is an irrelevent question because the set of sets that do not contain themselves must be an empty set. All sets contain themselves, because sets are like quanta, in that they must be composed of themselves, and nothing else. So that is the definition of quanta.

[dleviwing]

Each EM wave regardless of its frequency is said to have exactly the same quantity of energy absorbed or emitted by a particle during interactions. This measured quantity of energy is called a quanta and is equal to Planck's constant. This is why the rate of energy is defined as E=hf. Another quanta is the integer values such as spin used in QM.

[Mr. Nobody]

Mr.Nobody,

But it seems like you believe that quanta has a extension in space. But when you try to measure it-the uncertainity problem. But when we try to measure a particle we quantize it. But how can we quantize a quanta. It's like comparing something with itself. So quanta can't have an extension in space-time. It also can't be a wave kind of thing because that also can be measured. It is just the elementary that is so elementary that it is beyond our scope of observation.

Mohan

No, I don't give quanta an extension in space. Quanta is the measurement of something else not quanta itself. It is anything but itself. Quanta is the millimeter tick on the ruler or the pixel on the computer screen. Now apply the concept of measurement to the reality of the sub atomic realm. You need to measure two things to establish reality but only get one bit of information, hence one variable will be unknown (uncertain or foggy). But this does not mean that you are physically unable to measure, due to technological limitations or something else, no, it means that there is only one bit of information available to define the two variables of reality. The need to stay uncertain gives us Time, Evolution and Anthropy. As nature tries to figure out what is most stable to pass on information to build order, it evolved to produce the observer (dleviwing, lol) and Anthropy. Think about it: If everything is defined 100% from the beginning, everything would be pre-determined, pre-packaged and done without change. No change means no time. But we evolve within time, so the uncertainty is at the root of time, change, evolution and Anthropy.

Anton Zeilinger :
"A world, a reality existing independently of what can be said about it, is void of any meaning. It is obvious that any property or feature of reality "out there" can only be based on information we receive. There can not be any statement whatsoever about the world or about reality that is not based on such information. It therefore follows that the concept of a reality without at least the ability in principle to make statements about it, to obtain information about its features is devoid of any possibility of confirmation or proof. This implies that the distinction between information, that is knowledge, and reality is devoid of any meaning. In other words, it is impossible to distinguish operationally in any way reality from information. Therefore, following Occam's razor, the notion of the two being distinct should be abandoned, as the assumption of the existence of such a difference does not add anything that could not also be obtained without it"

Partial unauthorized quote from "Why The Quantum?", a letter to John Archibald Wheeler for the book "Science and Ultimate Reality" University of Vienna

Hence my deeper belief in waves. The wave to me represents the deeper reality, while the quanta, particle, photon, electron.... is the informational representation of the wave. The wave also appeals to my assumptions of fluidity to everything there is

[mkirkpatrick]

By definition, the smallest integral component of reality must be both "infinitely" small and "infinitely" dense. In other words, the most fundamental component of everything is composed of nothing but itself. Therefore, at the most fundamental and absolute level something is the same thing as what it is made of. Therefore for something to exist at the most fundamental level it must be composed of itself. If you can not say for sure that something is composed of itself, then you can not say for sure that it is anything at all. Therefore anything which does not necessarily contain itself must necessarily contain nothing. Therefore the set of all sets which do not contain themselves is the empty set, and whether or not the empty set contains itself is an irrelevant question, since the empty set has no value anyway.

In conclusion, the smallest amount of something that composes everything must be infinitely small and infinitely dense. Therefore something must be composed of nothing but itself, which is to say that there is something which must be composed of everything. In other words, everything is composed of small little bits of everything, therefore everything is composed of itself. Everything is always made out of itself, because things which exists ARE simply what they are COMPOSED of. Anything which we can not tell if it is composed of itself or not is simply something which does not exist (as far as we can see). So everything is made out of itself (small little bits) and nothing is not made out of anything per se, therefore nothing may or may not be made out of itself, we cannot tell. Therefore the logical solution to Russell's paradox is that the set of all sets which do not contain themselves must simply be the empty set, and whether or not the emptiness contains itself is a question that has no meaning, in that it deludes the meaning of emptiness. WHether or not the set of sets which do not contain themselves contains itself is an irrelevent question because the set of sets that do not contain themselves must be an empty set. All sets contain themselves, because sets are like quanta, in that they must be composed of themselves, and nothing else. So that is the definition of quanta.

You have made some very interesting points there Sub,not sure that I agree with them though,looking
forward to the big one from you bro--
kind regards michael.

[michaelrevans@mac.com]

"The ultimate indivisible unit of matter is light. It has 3-sides,3-edges, 2 vertices, spin-ability, radiates, gravitates, has an inside and an outside, has flexibility and is a regular solid. I call it a trion re'. It only appears to be a wave or a particle. What makes up the quanta are the individual bundles of trion re. They change direction by way of spherical arcs at spherical tetrahedral intersections following a self organizing self evolving twelve dimensional path. Each edge of a trion re is 1/6 the circumference of a circle Form gives way to the advantage of stream." Light is a solid.The observer arrives in the observed.
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