[Guille]

Originally Posted by baudrunner The problem with this reasoning is that gravity always exists as long as there is space. In the discussion of the electromagnetic forces of repulsion and attraction (which by the way have nothing to do with gravity) you neglect to note that electrons are always in motion, so the relationship that they have with protons are that what they lack in mass they make up for in velocity, so that is why the charges are balanced, and why time is balanced. In electric current, the electrons are again in motion, at virtually light speed. Again, the rule applies, negative and positive charges balance out. This more or less proves that electrons are the charge carriers, the term "carriers" implying that they are in motion, and not the "holes", the positive ions.

I agree but is this really all independent and irrelatvant for gravity? Now, this division beteen motion and mass is the same as KE and PE. And E is the sum of these two, and it is directly realted to gravity.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by dleviwing You may wish to rethink this concept or give reference to what leads you to believe it.

The sum of the squares of the spin for each particle. If you accept with the idea of spin in quantum mechanics then it is stipulated that the neutrinos ar spin-1/2 fermions and the photon are spin-1 bosons. Add 4 squares of 1/2 give the square of 1.

[mkirkpatrick]

I dont want to get in a mess over mass,but can mass be independant of thought
and if so,I would be grateful for an explanation.Great topic though.




kind regards michel.

[Guille]

Mass is a type of energy and also is thought. Thought is presentedin many types of energies in fact. According to Antonio, a thought could be a graviton, or a photon, or an electron. If the thought is a graviton (and I don't know when it is so, nor what woudl it mean), then I guess mass is NOT independent of thought.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by <<>> Mass is a type of energy and also is thought. Thought is presentedin many types of energies in fact. According to Antonio, a thought could be a graviton, or a photon, or an electron. If the thought is a graviton (and I don't know when it is so, nor what woudl it mean), then I guess mass is NOT independent of thought.

That is avery good answer my friend
you can go to the top of the class,and get threegold stars,thank you.


regardsmichael

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick but can mass be independant of thought

No. It is more of a dependence. Thought is energy as Guille said. But when the waves of energy are out of phase mass is created and the energy becomes concentrated and localized and no more radiation (not exactly true because of blackbody radiation and the existence of temperature).

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao The sum of the squares of the spin for each particle. If you accept with the idea of spin in quantum mechanics then it is stipulated that the neutrinos ar spin-1/2 fermions and the photon are spin-1 bosons. Add 4 squares of 1/2 give the square of 1.

Spin is an intrinsic value like charge. Summing the squares is meaningless.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Spin is an intrinsic value like charge.

Point taken. However, the square of a physical appears in various guises in Coulomb's inverse square law: the square of charge; in Newton's law of universal gravitation: square of mass; in Dirac's theory of electron of relativistic wave equation: the square of energy. In the kinetic theory of heat: the square of velocity; etc.