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    Very simple question: What is the specific formula of the electron ( not a symbol)?

    Before some commentaries:
    1.
    e-
    2.
    electrons donot have formulas
    but have charge which is expressed by e and
    unit is coulombs. e=1.6*10^-19.
    or for mass comparing with proton
    (mass of electron=(1/1836) *mass of proton).
    3.
    The formula for what? the speed? the density?
    Be more specific.
    If you just mean the symbol it is (e-)
    4.
    (A very stupid question indeed!)
    What does one really mean by the formula for an electron?
    If u mean symbol, then the answer could be e-
    5.
    Time-independent Schrodinger wave equation
    in one dimension for an electron is:

    d^2 ิ/ dx^2 = - (2m/h^2)[E - U(x)] ิ(x)

    6.
    Not simple, you are actually right,
    expecting even an electron to have a formula.
    But the very behaviour of a simple electron can
    constitute a formula occupying miles in paperwork.
    If one day we work out that formula,
    even to some approximation,
    then a true window called science has opened to us.

    Some other commentaries:
    1.
    Electron does not have formula, it has only notation as e-.
    2.
    electron is a particle
    how can a particle have an equation ?
    wrong question, sorry
    if u r asking about representation then it is "e"
    3.
    You can find a formula for the one or other aspect of an electron,
    but not for all of them at the same time.
    ===========================
    My answer is:
    Electron has own formula.
    =============
    1.
    Physical parameters of an electron (mass, charge)
    were discovered as a result of experiments.
    2.
    Einstein, Bohr wrote down energy of an electron
    (in interaction with atom) by the formula:
    E=hw.
    3.
    In 1928 Dirack formulated the equation of an electron,
    (relativistic equation of the electron) in such way:
    E = (plus, minus)mc^2
    4.
    Why does nobody analyze interrelation between
    energy of Einstein/ Bohr,s electron (E=hw) and
    energy of Dirack,s electron (E = (plus, minus)mc^2)
    It means, that one electron has three (3) formulas of
    energy.
    It means that an electron is really a very complex
    particle and according to Hertz it is possible to say, that
    the formulas of an electron are cleverer than the man.
    If somebody will try to explain why electron has three (3) formulas,
    please, recollect that an electron is not a firm figure.
    Electron can change its own form depending on its speed.
    It means, that energy and form (together) of an electron
    depend from some kind of movement. And it is impossible
    that electron can change its form, its energy but its charge
    will remain constant.
    Electron can also change its charge.
    This changes of an electron depend on its impulse.
    ===========
    5.
    In 1916 Sommerfeld discovered the formula of an electron.
    The formula of electron is:
    (e^2=hca).
    But nowhere, in no textbook
    the formula of electron is not written down in this way.
    Why?
    Nobody can understand what sense of constants
    in the Sommerfeld.s formula of electron is.
    ==================
    The formula of Sommerfeld,s electron consists
    from three constants:
    1.
    h=h/2pi (impulse of Goudsmit-Uhlenbeck)
    2.
    c (speed of quantum of light)
    3.
    a ( coefficient of constant thin structure.)

    The existence of this extremely important fundamental dimensionless
    constant remained unexplained till now.
    And this quantity determines a condition of an electron
    It means, that diverse physical and chemical properties of substances
    In many respects are determined by this quantity.
    This constant remained unknown in modern physics and
    on Feynman,s expression , which he said with humour
    that this quantity is
    " by the god given damnation to all physicists ".
    =============
    We know how whole Universe was created from
    the first second ( from big bang , of course).
    But on simple question :
    “ What is an electron?”,
    “ What is a formula of an electron?”
    we don’t have answer.
    =======================


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    Smile Re: Very simple question: What is the specific formula of the electron ( not a symbol)?

    Maybe the electron is a vortex rather than a particle,that has its own energy
    source in the form of a relative vacuum at its centre and the pressure within
    the medium of which it is composed!The key is the medium of which it is
    composed.This could be composed of ether in a dynamic form?


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    Re: Very simple question: What is the specific formula of the electron ( not a symbol

    All theories must begin with some axioms; fundemental assumptions taken to be true. In physics we must begin with some elementary objects, objects which can't be broken down into more fundemental objects. These objects will not be described in terms of something else, hence we won't know what they are but we will know their properties and how they behave.

    The electron, according to Quantum Mechanics, is both a particle and a wave.The particle and wave aspects are simply analogies, because we don't know what an electron is, yet. All we know is the properties of the object (electron) and how this object (electron) behaves under certain conditions, we know how it interacts with other objects that don't behave like the first object (electron). Since we can tell this object apart from the others we can see it is distinct from the others, hence we give it a name, electron.

    We might guess that this "electron" is made up of even more fundemental particles, strings, or something else, until we can find a theory that can do this we won't know what an electron is. In string theory the electron is simply an object (string) vibrating in a certain way in a certain multidimensional background space. Yet, this simply pushes the question of "being" from the electron to the fundemental object(s) that constitute the electron, in the aformentioned case, we would ask well what is a string?

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    Re: Very simple question: What is the specific formula of the electron ( not a symbol

    i saw some theory that regards an electron as a time mirror with regards to how it emits and absorbs a photon.so, a formula might include a photon being absorbed by an electron and being scattered through time
    http://people.ccmr.cornell.edu/~much...ams/node6.html

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    Smile Re: Very simple question: What is the specific formula of the electron ( not a symbol

    Quote Originally Posted by jungjedi View Post
    i saw some theory that regards an electron as a time mirror with regards to how it emits and absorbs a photon.so, a formula might include a photon being absorbed by an electron and being scattered through time
    http://people.ccmr.cornell.edu/~much...ams/node6.html
    Would that then be a real photon,or a ghost image?Doppleganger!

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    Re: Very simple question: What is the specific formula of the electron ( not a symbol

    Quote Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick View Post
    Would that then be a real photon,or a ghost image?Doppleganger!

    regards michael.
    no,i dont think it would be from a diffent part of the multiverse.the theory also said that this was possible because of the low enthropy interaction

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    Re: Very simple question: What is the specific formula of the electron ( not a symbol

    If the day that predicted the decay of the proton came and arrived over our time of access, and the protons and electrons were squeezed into neutrons, the electron could be seen as a precursor substance. Maybe this is beyond science fiction. And the same thing we call cold fusion, the unlimited heat of countless neutrons would also be known by another famous name, if uncontrolled, i.e. global warming. God won't give you more than you can handle, but someone else out there sure will. I can still hear that voice saying you won't be able to handle it. UNderstatement, ayiyi...
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    Smile Re: Very simple question: What is the specific formula of the electron ( not a symbol

    Quote Originally Posted by michellemfry View Post
    If the day that predicted the decay of the proton came and arrived over our time of access, and the protons and electrons were squeezed into neutrons, the electron could be seen as a precursor substance. Maybe this is beyond science fiction. And the same thing we call cold fusion, the unlimited heat of countless neutrons would also be known by another famous name, if uncontrolled, i.e. global warming. God won't give you more than you can handle, but someone else out there sure will. I can still hear that voice saying you won't be able to handle it. UNderstatement, ayiyi...
    We get as much as we can handle in a day,although somedays that seems tested
    to the limit.


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    Re: Very simple question: What is the specific formula of the electron ( not a symbol

    sorry you had a bad day.maybe this will make you feel better
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdc5X...related&search=

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    Thumbs up Re: Very simple question: What is the specific formula of the electron ( not a symbol

    Quote Originally Posted by jungjedi View Post
    sorry you had a bad day.maybe this will make you feel better
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdc5X...elated&search=
    "ground state in which a system has the lowest possible energy. If a system is in any other state, it will tend, if perturbed, to return to the ground state; if it is in the ground state, it will tend to stay there unless it is given a large kick."

    Quantum Physics From A-Z, Gribben, Ths
    Last edited by theunify; 01-30-2007 at 09:10 PM. Reason: page 168 "for example, the lone electron can occupy either of two states of the lowest energy levelwithoppositealignments.."


 

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