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08-20-2006, 10:40 AM
Before some commentaries: 1. e- 2. electrons donot have formulas but have charge which is expressed by e and unit is coulombs. e=1.6*10^-19. or for mass comparing with proton (mass of electron=(1/1836) *mass of proton). 3. The formula for what? the speed? the density? Be more specific. If you just mean the symbol it is (e-) 4. (A very stupid question indeed!) What does one really mean by the formula for an electron? If u mean symbol, then the answer could be e- 5. Time-independent Schrodinger wave equation in one dimension for an electron is: d^2 ิ/ dx^2 = - (2m/h^2)[E - U(x)] ิ(x) 6. Not simple, you are actually right, expecting even an electron to have a formula. But the very behaviour of a simple electron can constitute a formula occupying miles in paperwork. If one day we work out that formula, even to some approximation, then a true window called science has opened to us. Some other commentaries: 1. Electron does not have formula, it has only notation as e-. 2. electron is a particle how can a particle have an equation ? wrong question, sorry if u r asking about representation then it is "e" 3. You can find a formula for the one or other aspect of an electron, but not for all of them at the same time. =========================== My answer is: Electron has own formula.
============= 1. Physical parameters of an electron (mass, charge) were discovered as a result of experiments. 2. Einstein, Bohr wrote down energy of an electron (in interaction with atom) by the formula: E=hw. 3. In 1928 Dirack formulated the equation of an electron, (relativistic equation of the electron) in such way: E = (plus, minus)mc^2 4. Why does nobody analyze interrelation between energy of Einstein/ Bohr,s electron (E=hw) and energy of Dirack,s electron (E = (plus, minus)mc^2) It means, that one electron has three (3) formulas of energy. It means that an electron is really a very complex particle and according to Hertz it is possible to say, that the formulas of an electron are cleverer than the man. If somebody will try to explain why electron has three (3) formulas, please, recollect that an electron is not a firm figure. Electron can change its own form depending on its speed. It means, that energy and form (together) of an electron depend from some kind of movement. And it is impossible that electron can change its form, its energy but its charge will remain constant. Electron can also change its charge. This changes of an electron depend on its impulse. =========== 5. In 1916 Sommerfeld discovered the formula of an electron. The formula of electron is: (e^2=hca). But nowhere, in no textbook the formula of electron is not written down in this way. Why? Nobody can understand what sense of constants in the Sommerfeld.s formula of electron is. ================== The formula of Sommerfeld,s electron consists from three constants: 1. h=h/2pi (impulse of Goudsmit-Uhlenbeck) 2. c (speed of quantum of light) 3. a ( coefficient of constant thin structure.) The existence of this extremely important fundamental dimensionless constant remained unexplained till now. And this quantity determines a condition of an electron It means, that diverse physical and chemical properties of substances In many respects are determined by this quantity. This constant remained unknown in modern physics and on Feynman,s expression , which he said with humour that this quantity is " by the god given damnation to all physicists ". ============= We know how whole Universe was created from the first second ( from big bang , of course). But on simple question : What is an electron?, What is a formula of an electron? we dont have answer. ======================= | |
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08-20-2006, 04:25 PM
Maybe the electron is a vortex rather than a particle,that has its own energy
source in the form of a relative vacuum at its centre and the pressure within
the medium of which it is composed!The key is the medium of which it is
composed.This could be composed of ether in a dynamic form?
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10-02-2006, 07:46 PM
All theories must begin with some axioms; fundemental assumptions taken to be true. In physics we must begin with some elementary objects, objects which can't be broken down into more fundemental objects. These objects will not be described in terms of something else, hence we won't know what they are but we will know their properties and how they behave.
The electron, according to Quantum Mechanics, is both a particle and a wave.The particle and wave aspects are simply analogies, because we don't know what an electron is, yet. All we know is the properties of the object (electron) and how this object (electron) behaves under certain conditions, we know how it interacts with other objects that don't behave like the first object (electron). Since we can tell this object apart from the others we can see it is distinct from the others, hence we give it a name, electron.
We might guess that this "electron" is made up of even more fundemental particles, strings, or something else, until we can find a theory that can do this we won't know what an electron is. In string theory the electron is simply an object (string) vibrating in a certain way in a certain multidimensional background space. Yet, this simply pushes the question of "being" from the electron to the fundemental object(s) that constitute the electron, in the aformentioned case, we would ask well what is a string?
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01-15-2007, 11:15 PM
i saw some theory that regards an electron as a time mirror with regards to how it emits and absorbs a photon.so, a formula might include a photon being absorbed by an electron and being scattered through time http://people.ccmr.cornell.edu/~much...ams/node6.html | |
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Originally Posted by jungjedi | Would that then be a real photon,or a ghost image?Doppleganger!
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Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Would that then be a real photon,or a ghost image?Doppleganger!
regards michael. | no,i dont think it would be from a diffent part of the multiverse.the theory also said that this was possible because of the low enthropy interaction | |
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01-17-2007, 07:02 PM
If the day that predicted the decay of the proton came and arrived over our time of access, and the protons and electrons were squeezed into neutrons, the electron could be seen as a precursor substance. Maybe this is beyond science fiction. And the same thing we call cold fusion, the unlimited heat of countless neutrons would also be known by another famous name, if uncontrolled, i.e. global warming. God won't give you more than you can handle, but someone else out there sure will. I can still hear that voice saying you won't be able to handle it. UNderstatement, ayiyi... | |
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Originally Posted by michellemfry If the day that predicted the decay of the proton came and arrived over our time of access, and the protons and electrons were squeezed into neutrons, the electron could be seen as a precursor substance. Maybe this is beyond science fiction. And the same thing we call cold fusion, the unlimited heat of countless neutrons would also be known by another famous name, if uncontrolled, i.e. global warming. God won't give you more than you can handle, but someone else out there sure will. I can still hear that voice saying you won't be able to handle it. UNderstatement, ayiyi... | We get as much as we can handle in a day,although somedays that seems tested
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01-30-2007, 08:07 PM
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