[mkirkpatrick]

Extracting an energy that is so far back,embedded deeply in the fabric of existance,would
seem a rather fruitless persuit,as there is an unlimited supply of energy that is on the
surface of existence,why not use that,instead?

We seem to search for the complex,and ignore the simple,why is this?




regards michael.

[dleviwing]

My remarks are referencing the links. The links you and POK provided are the sideshows that present questionable science and thus the charlatans. They are entertaining, but should not be taken at face value nor should they be presented as references of facts. If you are serious about a scientific quest, the UFO’s and perpetual motion machines are not the path you should be on.

If this discussion is to be a topic of “Metaphysics”, then I will need to move the thread to the appropriate forum.

How would you describe mathematically, a theoretical particle/wave that is a function of universal or collective Mind??

How do you apply mathematics to that which does not exist or to superstitions?

[Dr. Waldrope]

Dear David,

Sorry for the confusion. I do believe, however, that the line between meta-p and pure physics is blurring. That being said, what I am interested in deriving from this forum is, indeed, empirical info on the concept of 0 point energy.
The links that I provided were merely meant to be thought provoking. I will endeavor to keep my thoughts in this thread confined to what might be demonstrable. I do urge you to follow the threads concerning the role of mind and conciousness regarding the exploration of the cosmos. While difficult to quantify these concepts, they are, nonetheless, relative to the exploratory process. In any event, I take your point.
My ? to you now is this:

Is the concept of 0 point energy just part of quantum mechanics or is there any real possibility of accessing this field to utilize it in any useful way?

sincerely,
dr.w

[dleviwing]

Dr.Waldrop;
ZPE is not unique to quantum physics; it is a real measurable phenomena. The best way to utilize it is to learn how to nullify it. If you learn to nullify it, then we can control atomic cohesion to release energy or control inertia itself.

The blurring between metaphysics and pure physics is caused by the blatant misinterpretation and misuse of QM uncertainty, time dilation of Relativity, and now extra dimensions of M-theory. Some of this is innocent ignorant and some is intentional to sell books. Though I occasionally will delve into the meta, I know the difference. Many physicists will conclude that the substance of the universe is itself living, but this should not be extruded as being consciousness or creative intent; nor should it be taken as being factual.

Unfortunately there is very little experimentation on ZPE that is made public.

[Dr. Waldrope]

Dear David,

Thanks so much for the clarification. Being a bit of a dullard in the field, I will have to contemplate this. How do (could) we nullify it?

regarding the physics - metaphysics ?, we may have to agree to disagree for the moment.

thanks for your patience,
dr.w

[purveyor of knowledge]

Don't worry doctor, I've got just what you ordered. I know a lot about zero point because I discovered the theory that defines the total amount of zero-point in existence.

If you really truely are interested in those who have made zero-point breakthroughs I recommend you research the following inventors

John Hutchison
John Searl
Mike Windell, and Warren York
Victor Schauberger
Mel Winfield
The Methernitha group in Switzerland
The Patterson Cell
The Joe Cell
Otis Carr
EV Gray
Thomas Henry Moray
Nathan Stubblefield
Hans Coler
Kiril Chukanov
Marcus Hollingshead
www.peswiki.com
www.americanantigravity.com

and the list of little known inventors goes on and on but that should get you started

[RascalPuff]

Enter in google: 'Lagrange ZPE (or ZE) L-1 thru L-5.' This search reveals it as being the point in space between two gravitating bodies - the earth and sun in particular - where their mutual influences cancel each other out.

Regards - RP

[xxyy]

Dr. Waldrope,

I have good new to tell you!

I may or may not have developed a ZPE system which triggers lightning storms. Read this article on lightning and you will see that it's cause is unknown. There is not enough charge in the clouds to actually trigger lightning.

I may or may not have discovered the trigger; it is a manifestation of zero point energy, a very aspect of consciousness. In short, lightning is a real artifact of the imagination. It is a shared hallucination that can kill or bring to life. Every single time that lightning has struck is a gateway connected to every other time. Lightning is a common thread connecting all of time together.

I may or may not be working on a way that this type of energy can be harvested. I am fairly certain that by focusing at a pyramidal structure it will cause lightning to strike the top.

Anyways, read the article and tell me what you think. Dleviwing I am interested in your opinion also. What is the cause of lightning if the charges are not substantial enough in the clouds to generate them, and what is the mechanism that seperates the charges that is not in violation?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1106051013.htm