An 'Aspect' of Entanglement

[labelwench]

If you don't find this convincing and you still have a fondness for the idea that something passed between them, then, in order to compare the results, communications between the detector operators via phone call or email still has to be conducted and this happens at slower than light speed. In other words the jockey on Fine Cotton still has 3.5 kilometres to thrash his nag homewards before the probability waves of the two horses can be compared, and in Fine Cottons case, as in every case, this is going to take time. Therefore, it seems apparent to me, that instantaneous communication is still just as impossible as it always was prior to our discovery of entanglement

How did I do with this explanation ? It is not meant to be comprehensive, just an analogy. Your ideas would be appreciated.

cool bananas ... greg

You have not factored in that Fine Cotton threw the race because Bold Personality cut a side deal with same for said's portion of oats, LOL.

Or one of the grooms snuck in and watered the fine beast too close to racing time, thereby adversely affecting performance of same.

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IMHO, all explanations shall be ever incomplete, as we who are part of the entanglement are incapable of purely objective observation and measurement.

Not to state that we are not sincere in our attempts at same.

Sincerely yours in entanglement,
Labelwench

[Mikal]

Hi Greg...I think this is a beautiful analogy. I could not help but notice your statement..."if you are interested in these matters and new to the subject."
That certainly applies to me as I am not biased by any prior ideologies or theories. I can use the analogy as a useful tool of understanding.

I particularly liked this part....

"At the instant, the very instant, that Bold Personality crossed the finish line, his probability of coming second fell to zero, his probability of coming first climbed to 100%. Simultaneously, at that exact same instant, Fine Cotton's probability of coming first dropped to zero, and his probability of coming second rose to 100%.

Both of these things happened at 'Faster Than Light Speed'. But nothing passed between the two horses, no information, no message, no communication, no magic ray, no Star Trek beam."

Question! Are you telling me here that we have first the entanglement of the horses. Yet secondly we have an entanglement of information and communication separately from the horses. So in other words two situations of entanglement going on simultaneously but so too disconnected???

Did I get this right or am I way off base here...??...could be possible when your learning...lol....


Mikal

[Graybeard]

Question! Are you telling me here that we have first the entanglement of the horses. Yet secondly we have an entanglement of information and communication separately from the horses. So in other words two situations of entanglement going on simultaneously but so too disconnected???

Did I get this right or am I way off base here...??...could be possible when your learning...lol....


Mikal

Hi Mikal ..... Entanglement relates to the properties of particles. In some instances particles can be said to be 'entangled' ...... That is, two particles can be can be generated from the decay of another particle, or produced in a collision between other particles.

These particles are ejected from the causal event, and they fly apart in the opposite direction from each other (180 degrees). However it can be shown that if one particle is observed to be 'spinning' in a clockwise direction, then the other particle will be observed to be spinning in a counter clockwise direction.

The fact that we can deduce the spin of one particle by observing the spin of another is against the principles of Quantum mechanics which says that nothing can be known about particles until observations are made. And yet it appears that we can deduce the spin of a particle without observing it, simply by observing its singlet partner.

Many took this to be a flaw in QM theory, including Einstein, but Bell's theorem proved that QM still holds, and by inference, that the universe is not 'local'. Non-local means that an event occurring 'here' may be related to an event over 'there'. But both events may be separated by the 'future and past', in any order. Many have taken this to be proof of 'mystical' relations throughout the universe

• WIKI : In physics, nonlocality is a direct influence of one object on another, distant object, in violation of the principle of locality. In classical physics, nonlocality in the form of action at a distance appeared in corpusculas theories and later disappeared in field theories.
  
  Action at a distance is incompatible with relativity. In quantum physics nonlocality re-appeared in the form of entanglement.
  
  Physical reality of entanglement has been demonstrated experimentally together with the absence of local hidden variables. Entanglement is compatible with relativity; however, it prompts some of the more philosophically oriented discussions concerning quantum theory. More general nonlocality beyond quantum entanglement, but still compatible with relativity, is an active field of theoretical investigation but has yet to be observed

As far as the horses go, to demonstrate entanglement you would need many more than two horses and many runs of the experiment. They are really just an analogy to demonstrate what information actually passes between the two singlet particles.

Hope this helped a bit ?

cool bananas ... greg

[Mikal]

Hi Greg...thanks for your answer. Of course my brain wanted to freeze up with all the scientific terms...lol...however I managed to stay with your reply.
Now you have given me a good definition to the universe as non-local. Now can you give me a good definition of the universe as local? Also how do you as a scientifically minded thinker see the universe?

Don't mind me, I am trying to get a foundation to build my understandingings on...


Mikal

[Graybeard]

Now you have given me a good definition to the universe as non-local. Now can you give me a good definition of the universe as local?

A 'local' universe is the universe as you see it. We all believe that we live in a local universe. Its what we take to be the 'norm'

Objects in a local universe are affected by the objects in their immediate surrounds. A tidal wave starts out as a local perturbation, molecule exerts pressure on neighbouring molecules which transmit pressure to their neighbouring molecules and this allows the tidal wave to cross an ocean, causes precede effects. Time passes as all this happens, it takes time for a tidal wave to cross an ocean.

Non-local does not deny causes, does not deny attributes of objects, but it does say that the temporal connection is not necessarily sequential. Effects can precede causes, from a temporal perspective. Experimental evidence supports this, though human intuition denies it.

Also how do you as a scientifically minded thinker see the universe?

I see the universe as an evolutionary execution of events, where each event has a number of possible outcomes. These outcomes are unpredictable but conditional upon their environment. A conditional randomness, that I feel is critical to diversity

But in this area of speculation, there are no guarantees that my opinion is right, or even worth considering. I can only claim that I see it as mechanically plausible.

Hope this helped ?

cool bananas ... greg

[Mikal]

Thanks greg....now I'll take this all to some thought...


Mikal

[Graybeard]

Thanks greg....now I'll take this all to some thought...

If all that thought congeals into an explanation for the Number 42, and you become rich, famous, an instant celebrity ..... please remember to mention me as one who helped you ..... lolol


cool bananas ... greg

[Graybeard]

You have not factored in that Fine Cotton threw the race because Bold Personality cut a side deal with same for said's portion of oats, LOL.

Or one of the grooms snuck in and watered the fine beast too close to racing time, thereby adversely affecting performance of same.

Hi Labelwench ..... it was worse than that ..... CLICK HERE ... to find out about the real Fine Cotton

cool bananas ... greg