"Spooky action at a distance."

[Meem]

This has got to be one of the more interesting articles I have read in a VERY VERY long time.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201668700

Thanks to a recent technological breakthrough, that's true literally, too. While China has been showing off its new hardware, a potentially more important military advancement has gone largely unnoticed: In May, Chinese scientists announced a demonstration of "quantum teleportation" over 16 kilometers (10 miles), creating what Matthew Luce, a researcher at the Defense Group Inc.'s Center for Intelligence Research and Analysis, calls "secure communications guaranteed by the laws of physics." China is now at the cutting-edge of military communications, transforming the field of cryptography and spotlighting a growing communications arms race.

While the [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]People's [COLOR=#366388 !important]Liberation [/COLOR][COLOR=#366388 !important]Army[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] won't be beaming up objects Star Trek-style anytime soon, the new technology could greatly enhance its command and control capabilities. Scientists use machines to manipulate units of light called photons. By changing the photons' quantum states and creating a new, readable pattern not unlike Morse code, they can pass on simple messages or encryption codes. A group of researchers from Tsinghua University and the Hefei National Laboratory for Physical Sciences entangled pairs of photons - linking them so changes to one photon will be instantaneously transferred to the other. Using a high-powered blue laser (the type China appears to be investing in for its submarine fleet), they then transported the quantum information farther than anyone had done before, their paper in Nature Photonics claims.(Read "Is the Future of Electric Cars in China?)

The process is called teleportation, but the information in the message is not actually moved. Instead, changes to one photon's quantum state will be adopted instantly by the other - something Einstein famously called "spooky action at a distance." The result is akin to having two pieces of paper 10 miles apart, and as a person writes on one paper the message simultaneously appears on the other.

Why is this superior to e-mail or radio? Because, theoretically, this method "cannot be cracked or intercepted," says Luce. If the photons in the laser beam are observed by a third party, the particles themselves will be altered due to a law of physics called the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, which states that measuring a particle alters it. As such, the sender and receiver would be immediately informed that someone was snooping.

At the 16km distance tested, China would be able to send these secure messages from its network of satellites to units on the ground. Luce also says the choice of a blue laser - instead of an infrared one like the U.S. has been testing - was chosen with its growing submarine fleet in mind since blue lasers penetrate farther underwater. Soon, Chinese satellites could be able to communicate with submarines without them needing to surface or give away their location by breaking radio silence. This may sound like science-fiction, but quantum encryption is already used by a few banks and governments for highly sensitive information on a smaller scale. The Chinese scientists write in Nature Photonics that a quantum communication network could be "within reach of current technology on a global scale."

The advance in secure communications comes none too soon. With ever-increasing computing power, the expiration date on today's cryptography techniques could be looming, Luce says. Right now, breaking modern encryption techniques require such computing power that one can change the code long before a computer has time to crack it. But "it's become very difficult to 'future proof' the encryption of data," Luce writes for the Jamestown Foundation. Tomorrow's computers will improve and data could suddenly become unprotected, while quantum teleportation, he says, "has a seemingly infinite time horizon."
Though the Chinese scientists claim in their peer-reviewed paper that this experiment communicated quantum information more than 20 times farther than previous tests over open space, this may not be entirely true. According to Luce in 2005, a group of universities along with defense corporations with a grant from the [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]Defense [COLOR=#366388 !important]Advanced [/COLOR][COLOR=#366388 !important]Research [/COLOR][COLOR=#366388 !important]Projects [/COLOR][COLOR=#366388 !important]Agency[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] (DARPA) transferred quantum information over 23 km (14 miles) in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Though Luce writes that a few differences in the DARPA project "may not technically disqualify the Chinese" from their claims, it's clear the U.S. military is also investing in this technology. Luce says it's difficult to know how far the U.S. is in developing quantum teleportation, "because a lot of the U.S. work is classified."

Of course, what's possible in theory - perfectly secure communication - is different from what will happen in practice. Luce suspects China's pioneering research in this technology is as much an attempt to find weaknesses in a possible U.S. quantum security network as it is to develop its own. Roy of the [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]East-West [COLOR=#366388 !important]Center[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] says one of China's "pockets of excellence" is its cyber-warfare capability. If developed by the U.S., however, this technology could help neutralize China's ability to break into sensitive computer systems. Less than two weeks ago, researchers from Germany and Norway claim to have hacked a commercial [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]quantum [COLOR=#366388 !important]cryptography[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] system by exploiting flaws in its detection equipment. It doesn't undermine the fundamental principle of secure quantum messaging, but it is a reminder that there is almost always a loophole. "The security of quantum cryptography relies on [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]quantum [COLOR=#366388 !important]physics[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] but not only," Gerd Leuchs, a professor at the University of Erlangen-NÜrnberg, says in a press release announcing the vulnerabilities. "It must also be properly implemented."

No one claims that the Chinese military will surpass the U.S.' anytime soon, but it isn't just dueling naval exercises that will determine pecking order. It's also how fast China can integrate the newest technologies into its military, maintaining its strengths like cyber-warfare while improving the PLA's precision, coordination and secrecy. In these ways, China has made a quantum leap forward.

The second underlined portion, true or false?

[William Christie]

This has got to be one of the more interesting articles I have read in a VERY VERY long time.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201668700


The second underlined portion, true or false?

According to my Rotating Wave Theory of the Electron, yes it is true.

In my theory, the outer perimeters of the rotating EM planar wave fronts must of course have a tangential velocity greater than the speed of light. The rotating wave is like a beacon and therefore interaction is instantaneous. However, the electric field is divergent and thus the beacon signal is very weak, but it is there. So, if you have the right apparatus which can tune into the frequency and and detect such weak signals, then you as a 3rd party should be able to detect it.

This sounds wild and of course requires 'superluminal' light. My postulates state that when light is travelling straight forward (eg photon), its speed will be C. When in rotation, the divergence fields allow the outer perimeters to go faster. Thus we have gravity and the light bends around the sun due to action at a distance. Alternatively, you can accept the wildness that real time slows down and real space contracts.

I suggested this on a forum sometime ago that if we are looking for communications from aliens across interstellar distances, then we should be using the beacon approach.

Interesting that this is coming from China, because I am seeing some publications from bonafide physicists in China (an India) suggesting that we should be re-looking at the wave nature of matter, particularly the electron. This is independent of the M-Theory and perhaps a result of thinking that is independent of western culture.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The superluminal exaggerations negates all science possible...

Science is measurement, and the superluminal is not measurable__thus not science...

All superluminal is supernatural speculation...

No spectral evidence allowed in science...

[William Christie]

The superluminal exaggerations negates all science possible...

Science is measurement, and the superluminal is not measurable__thus not science...

All superluminal is supernatural speculation...

No spectral evidence allowed in science...

Are electrons waves? Yes
Do electrons have spin? Yes
Are the waves rotating? Yes
Must they obey EM? Yes

Either the velocities of the outer rotating wave are considered no greater because of Einsteinian Relativity, or they are greater (superluminal) and relativity is just really a manifestation of the rotating wave. The prior has no greater proof than the latter.

Are time and space simply modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live? No, everything is real.

I'm looking at my glasses right now and see that they are taking up space. Now I put them on and see that space is still there. It is quite real.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Still true, and the only science, that is science...

The superluminal exaggerations negates all science possible...

Science is measurement, and the superluminal is not measurable__thus not science...

All superluminal is supernatural speculation...

No spectral evidence allowed in science...

[William Christie]

Still true, and the only science, that is science...

The superluminal exaggerations negates all science possible...

Science is measurement, and the superluminal is not measurable__thus not science...

All superluminal is supernatural speculation...

No spectral evidence allowed in science...

"Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is an enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the natural world. An older meaning still in use today is that of Aristotle, for whom scientific knowledge was a body of reliable knowledge that can be logically and convincingly explained."

Building and organizing knowledge is a process of which the first step is an hypothesis. To say that a theory is not science is to say that you can not even put in on the table. Then how can you test it or discuss it with anyone?

Why is superluminal an exaggeration? Yes the C word has been proved, but only in certain conditions and that was long ago. To say that it negates all science possible is saying that science rests on the pillars of Einsteinian Relativity alone.

Notice that one must include "inertial" in the equivalent reference frames of Relativity. The twin paradox emphasizes the importance of inertia even more so. Aether seems much more logical to provide a framework for inertia. Frankly, I think we took a wrong fork in the road of science.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

"Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is an enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the natural world. An older meaning still in use today is that of Aristotle, for whom scientific knowledge was a body of reliable knowledge that can be logically and convincingly explained."

Building and organizing knowledge is a process of which the first step is an hypothesis. To say that a theory is not science is to say that you can not even put in on the table. Then how can you test it or discuss it with anyone?

I didn't say theory and hypotheses weren't part of science. My point is that theories and hypotheses must respect the limits of science, and that's to stay within what is scientifically testable and measurable__or you're just wasting everyone's time...

Why is superluminal an exaggeration?

As stated__Science can't measure or test it...

It also answers everything in one swoop__thus is dis-allowed in science, due to no logic possible, as it contains an absolute contradiction of itself__The dis-appearance of all matter at c + 1, as per Einstein's own formula__E = MC^2...

Yes the C word has been proved, but only in certain conditions and that was long ago.

And absolutely nothing can be proved otherwise, due to no evidence possible, no matter what the hype says...

To say that it negates all science possible is saying that science rests on the pillars of Einsteinian Relativity alone.

No it doesn't. Double relativity is another route, as there are many new ideas, but the superluminal ain't one of em. The superluminal negates all science because it introduces the above contradiction into the logic, and science's logic bars all contradictions__period... You allow contradictions into science, and science is destroyed, as its only foundation is non-contradiction... It can be quite non-intuitive, but never contradictory...

Notice that one must include "inertial" in the equivalent reference frames of Relativity. The twin paradox emphasizes the importance of inertia even more so. Aether seems much more logical to provide a framework for inertia. Frankly, I think we took a wrong fork in the road of science.

I agree, we took a wrong fork in the road of science, but the superluminal is the most wrong road of all. Einstein's original aether ideas are correct. He listened to brain-dead Minkowski, and let him talk him outta' the truth of the aether field mechanics, which would have continued his own quantum mechanical ideas__Too bad...

Be careful the twins analogy__It don't happen, when exaggerated beyond the speed of light, as anyone approaching the speed of light would be torn to pieces, as there'd be no field coherence to hold your molecular structure together... Throw a titanium baseball to the speed of light, and all's gonna' hit the target is photons, as all its mass will be radiated away__This is the finished product of Lorentz theory and math, as it approaches infinity. Lorentz gave up to early on his math, as it actually showed these facts, but he was also talked out of his own truths__Too bad...

It's best to do quantum mechanics in classical mechanics, then add the tiny relativistic corrections later...

[William Christie]

Lloyd,
I am talking about rotating waves and NOT superluminal straight running waves.

It also answers everything in one swoop__thus is dis-allowed in science, due to no logic possible, as it contains an absolute contradiction of itself__The dis-appearance of all matter at c + 1, as per Einstein's own formula__E = MC^2...

C is just a value. It is the tangential velocity of the rotating wave at a specific radius which is related to the speed of light. It does not change and thus does not contradict E = mc2. Read my equations. Read my postulates: a bending planar wavefront goes faster at greater radii; a straight running planar wavefront goes at C.

Double relativity is another route, as there are many new ideas, but the superluminal ain't one of em. The superluminal negates all science because it introduces the above contradiction into the logic, and science's logic bars all contradictions__period... You allow contradictions into science, and science is destroyed, as its only foundation is non-contradiction... It can be quite non-intuitive, but never contradictory...

Double relativity is not the route. It seems like a cover-up. I do not allow any contradictions in the Rotating Wave.

Einstein's original aether ideas are correct. He listened to brain-dead Minkowski, and let him talk him outta' the truth of the aether field mechanics, which would have continued his own quantum mechanical ideas__Too bad...

Perhaps if Einstein had listened more to Kaluza and less to Minkewski, then maybe he would have thought about the rotating wave.

Be careful the twins analogy__It don't happen, when exaggerated beyond the speed of light, as anyone approaching the speed of light would be torn to pieces, as there'd be no field coherence to hold your molecular structure together...

Again, you are thinking about straight running waves. I'm talking about rotating waves. There is no Twin Paradox because of inertia and the rotating wave explains mass and gravity and thus inertia.

If Lorentz had thought more about waves and less about charged particles, he too might have thought about the rotating wave.

It's best to do quantum mechanics in classical mechanics, then add the tiny relativistic corrections later...

I disagree. It is best to wrap it up all in one elegant theory. No relativistic corrections; no quantum corrections.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Lloyd,
I am talking about rotating waves and NOT superluminal straight running waves.

I know what you are talking about, and I simply stated the edge that you stated traveling superluminal is impossible of being within science, as no measurement is possible, whether rotating or running...

C is just a value. It is the tangential velocity of the rotating wave at a specific radius which is related to the speed of light. It does not change and thus does not contradict E = mc2. Read my equations. Read my postulates: a bending planar wavefront goes faster at greater radii; a straight running planar wavefront goes at C.

c is the velocity of light in vacuum... c is the max velocity of light in vacuum, and most confuse group c with superluminals/tachyons...

Double relativity is not the route. It seems like a cover-up. I do not allow any contradictions in the Rotating Wave.

And are you another God, that absolutely knows his model is correct, without the logical and mathematical proofs...? I read all your material thoroughly, and agree with much of your thinking, but to absolutely know, without doubt, is a no no, unless you can show the full logic and math, without postulates, axioms and all or any other unprovables... Double relativity I only mentioned as another route many were working with...

Perhaps if Einstein had listened more to Kaluza and less to Minkewski, then maybe he would have thought about the rotating wave.

I agree somewhat with you about a rotating wave, but I think your model needs its explanation tied far stronger to the field realities of the conservation of angular momentum, and Archimedes spiral, or chirality__in conjunction with the field densities involved...

Again, you are thinking about straight running waves. I'm talking about rotating waves. There is no Twin Paradox because of inertia and the rotating wave explains mass and gravity and thus inertia.

It doesn't matter which model is used, c can not exceed c, so what I stated applies to both models__running or rotating. c can never exceed c, no more than a car can exceed its self-velocity, whatever that may be. Light can not exceed itself, either...

If Lorentz had thought more about waves and less about charged particles, he too might have thought about the rotating wave.

I disagree. It is best to wrap it up all in one elegant theory. No relativistic corrections; no quantum corrections.

Well, when you get an elegant theory, let me know__because any theory that mentions either superluminal, or matter coming from energy, or emergence, or strings, or god__I stop listening...

The classical method is much more sound for doing QM...

[William Christie]

I agree somewhat with you about a rotating wave, but I think your model needs its explanation tied far stronger to the field realities of the conservation of angular momentum, and Archimedes spiral, or chirality__in conjunction with the field densities involved...

It doesn't matter which model is used, c can not exceed c, so what I stated applies to both models__running or rotating. c can never exceed c, no more than a car can exceed its self-velocity, whatever that may be. Light can not exceed itself, either...

I don't need to quote any of the other stuff. .... When a car is turning, one side of the car goes faster than the other.

Okay, would it make you feel better if I said electron waves rotate and the velocity of light is constant at any radii because somehow time slows down for that particular point on the planar wave front? Wait a minute now, then I've also got to say that the electron contracts in accordance with Einstein relativity. But, the planar wave front in complete accordance with EM still must still incline and then what do we have - more length contraction - double relativity?

Any other variations of vorticular wave theories must comply with EM in the same way.