Zero Dimensional Particles

[Guille]

Zero Dimensional Particles (from now on I'll refer to them as ZDP) are NOT possible. Dimensionality is requiered for existence, both spatial and temporal. So particles can't exist if they are zero dimensional. Another failure in ZDPs is that scientists say they interact: photoelectric effect, electron transfer...etz. But this is not possible because 0 dim impplies no possibility of interaction. Or can something that doesn't occupy space crash with another non-occupying space thing? NO.

What do you think?

Do you know any other "proofs" that particles can't be zero dimensional?

[subversion]

I agree with you totally, a true zero dimensional object cannot interact with other particles because it has zero chance of actually running into and hitting them. It's just like you said. However, if Antonio is right in his concept of quantized space, and if I understand it correctly, perhaps it implies that there are not an infinite amount of places that a zero dimensional object can be in. This means that two zero dimensional objects could indeed end up at the same point in quantized space and thus cause a collision/interaction. Perhaps this means that the particles only appear to be zero dimensional in quantized space because the space is quantized to only such a finite degree. In continuous space, the particles are actually three dimensional.

It is my opinion that zero dimensional particles are actually three dimensional, but infinitely small. Infinite here is only an effective, not an absolute term.

[Guille]

It is my opinion that zero dimensional particles are actually three dimensional, but infinitely small. Infinite here is only an effective, not an absolute term.

Let's say infinite meaning 10^-32. Atleast this is well established.

And still, if Antonio is correct it is true that zero dimensional particls can exist, interact and move. But this is IFF his theory is correct, and this hasn't been agreed (either by toquest members or scientists).

[volantis]

I agree with your observation that particles cannot have zero dimensions.

Do you know any other "proofs" that particles can't be zero dimensional?

I cannot prove that particles cannot have zero dimensions, but I can quantify the dimensions a particle has.

Focusing on just the electron for the moment, Max Planck discovered the so-called "quantum of action," which is named for him. We call this quantum of action Planck's constant and it is notated as h (not h/2pi). There are only three objects in an atom that can qualify as something that can act, the electron, proton, and neutron. Since the proton and neutron are tightly bound, and because Planck's constant easily breaks down to the mass of the electron times the Compton wavelength times the speed of light, it is most likely that the "quantum of action" is the electron.

To put it more clearly, Planck's constant IS the electron. The electron is therefore a two dimensional particle, having only two dimensions of length in its quantification. Further, the actual structure of a subatomic particle IS angular momentum. It is correct to say that the Moon HAS angular momentum around the Earth, but not only does the electron HAVE angular momentum, it IS angular momentum.

Angular momentum can be modeled geometrically. There are several ways to do this, but only one fits with all the known facts concerning electrons. The subatomic particle is a line of mass moving sideways at the speed of light. The amount of mass is equal to the mass of the electron, the length of the line of mass is the Compton wavelength, and the velocity it is moving is the speed of light.

In the Aether Physics Model this geometry looks like a helical tube. The helix part of the geometry is due to the effect of time on the structure and the tube surface is due to the effect of distributed length on the structure. To put this another way, the quantum electron not only has a quantum surface, but it also exists within a quantum unit of time. And to further deduce from this, time is a result of the nature of matter and does not exist separate from it.

[yogi]

It is my opinion that zero dimensional particles are actually three dimensional, but infinitely small. Infinite here is only an effective, not an absolute term.

i do agree with this and would like to add more to it. At other end of spectrum infinitely large and complex systems are beyond our logical understanding, but they still must exist. we are bound by 3 dimensions and have problems understanding and accepting 4th (time) let alone talking about N dimensions.

sincerely,
yogi