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    The Universe travels at the speed of light.
    Lets say that I was floating in space. I am basically traveling at the speed of light relative to someone outside the universe looking in BUT relative to everything around me I am not moving at all since everything in the universe is moving away from a theoretical point at the speed of light. Now, I throw a ball parallel to the direction that I am moving. Relative to me, the ball is moving at 3mph. To someone outside the universe it is moving 3mph faster than the speed of light.

    Q1: If the speed of light is the fastest anything can go, how come this situation with anything can occur? We launch a rocket into space; at some point it is traveling in that direction at a speed greater than 0mph.

    Q2: Can Time and Motion be one of the same thing? Motion directly affects time. Time changes when you move at different rates.

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    Re: Confused

    Quote Originally Posted by zrogoszinski View Post
    The Universe travels at the speed of light.


    Q1: If the speed of light is the fastest anything can go, how come this situation with anything can occur? We launch a rocket into space; at some point it is traveling in that direction at a speed greater than 0mph.

    Q2: Can Time and Motion be one of the same thing? Motion directly affects time. Time changes when you move at different rates.
    Seems that the whole spacetime scenario (the whole display of the Universe) propagates at the speed of light, not the internal components/parts/items (except those moving with zero rest mass) travel at the speed of light.

    Q1. Relativistic addition of velocities applied to all motions below/equal to speed of light.

    Q2. It seems there are different measurements/observations of time flow.


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    Re: Confused

    You can’t represent the concept of time without a cyclic repeating interval of motion as a reference; thus “absolute time” cannot be represented by any physical measuring device. The time referred to in Relativity is the measure made by a CLOCK.

    Your questions infer a lack of understanding concerning the fundamentals of scientific measurement and also a desire to change the rules by which we measure. Relativity is a mathematical methodology designed to allow comparisons of different reference frames of motion. By defining the method of measuring the speed of light in a vacuum (2 way) we produce a methodology that all frames of reference will obtain the same number for that velocity. This leads to a dilemma that one must understand what is subjective and what is objective. The objective or Lorentz contraction due to motion and the subjective appearance that clocks slows down and lengths shorten. This tends to confuse the novice; I know it confused the hell out of me in my younger years. Just remember the subjective is an optical illusion; the objective is real.

    Subjective (Relativity): The moving train gets SHORTER and time slows down when observed from the ground outside the train. (this does not predict volume contraction; it only predicts length contraction in the direction of motion.)

    Objective (Lorentz): The moving train gets SMALLER and the CLOCK slows down due to motions affect on physical objects; thus Relativity is mathematical hocus pocus.
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    Re: Confused

    Quote Originally Posted by zrogoszinski View Post
    The Universe travels at the speed of light.
    Lets say that I was floating in space. I am basically traveling at the speed of light relative to someone outside the universe looking in BUT relative to everything around me I am not moving at all since everything in the universe is moving away from a theoretical point at the speed of light. Now, I throw a ball parallel to the direction that I am moving. Relative to me, the ball is moving at 3mph. To someone outside the universe it is moving 3mph faster than the speed of light.

    Q1: If the speed of light is the fastest anything can go, how come this situation with anything can occur? We launch a rocket into space; at some point it is traveling in that direction at a speed greater than 0mph.

    Q2: Can Time and Motion be one of the same thing? Motion directly affects time. Time changes when you move at different rates.

    Let's hope I can deconfuse you.

    First of all by definition the universe is all. So there can be no "outside the universe".

    Time is the comparison of motions -- nothing more. Originally all motions were compared the rotaion of the earth. A second or hour is a measure of that rotation. Let's say a bullet travels 3000 feet per second. We are comparing the motion of the bullet to that of the earth.

    A certain number of vibrations of the cesium atom has been replaced as the standard for the second because the rotation of the earth is not constant.

    As to Einstein's claim that motion causes time (as measured by a clock) to slow down is false. I have written a paper that proves that.

    Let me rephrase your original premise: You have a platform traveling at high speed (say 90% the speed of light), and you project a laser beam forward at c. What is the velocity of the beam? is it 190% of c?

    Oddly enough the answer is, yes and no. Due to the nature of the beast, even though it is traveling at c+, when measured it will measure c.

    The mechanism of this behavior is described in a paper I have written and is too long to go into here. If anyone wants a copy all they need do is request it and I will email it to them vertvergon@gmail.com


 

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