[N0B0DY]

IC,

If the only movement is consciousness, then matter can't be moving particles and waves, correct? Or were you implying that consciousness follows the only movement, which is the particles and waves?

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY IC, If the only movement is consciousness, then matter can't be moving particles and waves, correct? Or were you implying that consciousness follows the only movement, which is the particles and waves?

The movement of consciousness per se is illusion and that illusion gives birth to the movement of particles and waves which is also illusion created by the illusion of consciousness moving.

"Consciousness is the spiritual awareness of being, of all-knowing, all-power, and all-presence. Thinking is the motionless principle (consciousness) in Light and Sound (its own heaving vibration or Current) which through the thinking process it is no longer consciously aware of and it is that lack of awareness of itself as the Light & Sound Current which causes it to flow on that current which in turn creates the illusion of consciousness in motion."

When the attention the outer expression of the soul returns to its source the soul within us and we reunite with and are in tune with our soul currents then and only then thought as the illusion of consciousness moving is stopped and we are consciously aware of our true self as Pure Undifferentiated - Infinite fully Aware Consciousness.

If this explanation is not perfectly clear tell me and i will explain it in other words.

[N0B0DY]

No that's clear enough I think.

The gist is that everything is an illusion except the true self, right?

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY No that's clear enough I think. The gist is that everything is an illusion except the true self, right?

Right ! Everything as matter in the three worlds of - Physical - Astral - and Causal (i.e. the Wheel of Life" or - Present - Past - and Future) is illusion except the True Self !

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by N0B0DY "It's just most have the linguistics confused, as matter and space being distinct entities___If so, what would space be made of to create such falsely implied separations/definitions? When you can see it as changed states of matter differentiations, the puzzle becomes no puzzle, at all___Space is just the thinnest changed state of matter, possible, or void, as the same." The proof I'm after may be moot, Lloyd, but it is required for me to conclude that motion is possible in the universe. The above assessment simply draws a ring around my moot point, generally saying the same thing I am - that there is no difference between matter and space, and therefore there is no movement possible.

No, you just keep confusing movement of and within gases, and solids..

Lloyd

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Infinite Consciousness Right ! Everything as matter in the three worlds of - Physical - Astral - and Causal (i.e. the Wheel of Life" or - Present - Past - and Future) is illusion except the True Self !

IC, this statement would be true if written, "Right ! Everything "is" matter in the three worlds of - Physical - Astral - and Causal (i.e. the Wheel of Life" or - Present - Past - and Future)."

Lloyd

[Crimson Madness]

It's all a matter of where you set your frame of reference. In a universe where nothing is constant, save for the speed of light, a mass is only, by definition, not moving if it is remaining at a constant position with your reference point. If I have a reference point here on Earth then the sun is moving with respect to that point. If my reference is on the sun then the Earth is moving with respect to that point. Let's take for instance a baseball been thrown from a pitcher's mound to home plate. Let's say that the stadium is in a cartesian coordinate system. If our origin is home plate, then the only thing moving is the ball. If the reference point is the ball, then everything is moving. Einstein's theory of relativity sums this subject up pretty good. In the end the only thing you can count without doubt is the the speed of light. 1 ft/nanosecond

[Yeltsin]

As relativity lies within a participatory philosophy, one can actually get out there and do measurements to discover if something is moving or not.