[AntonioLao]

1. graviton is just H+ or H-
2. H+ and H- as Hopf rings cannot be broken. They are quanta of spacetime. If we remove 1 H+ or H-, we are tearing the fabric of spacetime.
3. the zero-point energy.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao 1. graviton is just H+ or H- 2. H+ and H- as Hopf rings cannot be broken. They are quanta of spacetime. If we remove 1 H+ or H-, we are tearing the fabric of spacetime. 3. the zero-point energy.

1. So is the graviton just 1 ring?
2. What is "hopf rings"?
3. I'm reading through wikipedia abotu zero-point energy, will answer in the future.

[AntonioLao]

the site for Hopf ring is http://mathworld.wolfram.com/HopfLink.html
graviton is just one Hopf ring.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao the site for Hopf ring is http://mathworld.wolfram.com/HopfLink.html graviton is just one Hopf ring.

I see. Supposedly 4 gravitons should thus make up 1 photon, not two gravitons make up one photon as in my theory. But I'm working on some math demonstrations that two pair of Hopf rings occur by spacetime. As for me the quanta of spacetime is the photon, then I'mt rying to prove that the crash of the two gravitons not only pruduce a photon, but somehow makes the photon in state of spacetime become a photon ins tate of em. From this we can derive both that photons can be made from gravity and spacetime, and the universe's expansion.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by GUILLE Supposedly 4 gravitons should thus make up 1 photon

Actually, 4 gravitons (4H+) and 4 antigravitons (4H-) make up 1 photon. These 8 H's become the building block for eightfold symmetry of spacetime.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao Actually, 4 gravitons (4H+) and 4 antigravitons (4H-) make up 1 photon. These 8 H's become the building block for eightfold symmetry of spacetime.

OH, now I see. I'll work on all this soon, so that it make sense with the Hs idea.

[dogmatorium]

where are the arguments of trinity ?
God, son ,holy spirit !

how can God "Jesus" pray to himself [o God forgive them they do not know what they are doing] HOW ?

Holy Spirit has no gender/sex cuz it's Gabriel [an angel]


how do you explain the trinity ?

if God has a son than who's His wife ?

2bcont...

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by dogmatorium where are the arguments of trinity ? God, son ,holy spirit ! how can God "Jesus" pray to himself [o God forgive them they do not know what they are doing] HOW ? Holy Spirit has no gender/sex cuz it's Gabriel [an angel] how do you explain the trinity ? if God has a son than who's His wife ? 2bcont...

I feel that the best answer to those questions,lie in asking a theologian,
theyare the professionals in this realm,not toequest forum users!

kind regards michael.

[Canute]

What a great opening post and discussion. I'm fascinated by the number three and suspect it would have to play an important role in any true theory of everything.

In Lao-Tsu's cosmology the zero begets the one, the one begets the two and the two begets the three. The three begets 'the ten thousand things', the infinitely many things. In other words, the universe is reified by a process in which the number three is important.

On the number line the gaps in the pattern of multiples created by Lao-Tsu's 'axiomatic' numbers (0, 1, 2, 3) occur at 6n+/-1 or, more musically, on the first and last quaver in a bar of 6/8 that repeats to infinity. This beating between the waveforms of 2 and 3 entails that prime numbers greater than 3 are always in the form 6n+/-1. Such numbers occur once in every three numbers.

The number three plays a crucial role as a trigger of chaos in dynamical systems if I remember right. One, two, three, chaos...

I've got an idea that Charles Saunders Peirce wrote a book about trinities, and argued that any fundamental explanation of anything at all must reduce to three fundamental terms. In any reductionist account of the universe we always seem to end up trying to reduce two things to one, be it mind and matter, atoms and void, psycho-physical phenomena, something and nothing, information and information space, Father and Son, Samsara and Nirvana, Being and non-Being or whatever. It's the way our minds work and, whether by coincidence or not, it seems to be the way the universe works.

At any rate, mathematician G.S. Brown claims this is how it works in his book 'Laws of Form' (1969), in which he presents a mathematical model of cosmogenesis. In this model the universe originates in neither something nor nothing, in neither mind nor matter, in neither atoms nor void. It originates in a third phenomenon.

There's an interesting article or book chapter somewhere online - if memory serves it's by Jungian psychologist Robin Robertson and on his website (which I recommend to TOE questers) - called, or maybe subtitled 'One, Two, Three, Infinity...'. Robertson discusses the link between Lao-Tsu, C. S. Peirce and George Spencer Brown. Brown's not well known so I'll mention that he worked at Oxford and Cambridge around Bertrand Russell's time. He became a longtime friend of Wei Wu Wei, aka the Irish 'advaita' philosopher Terence G. Gray.

The plot thickens.

In his book 'Laws of Form' (1969) Brown argues that to completely model the universe (represent it mathematically, conceive of its structure etc.) we must modify the tertium non datur law of everyday reasoning, ordinary logic and Boolean algebra.

He suggests that when we ask, for example, whether the universe begins with something or nothing, or whether mind or matter is fundamental, we are making a fundamental mistake, a category error. We are assuming there is no third option.

Father and Son can clearly have only a dependent existence, for it cannot make sense to say that one can exist before the other. The choice of two terms having this relationship was surely deliberate. A third term is implied. Holy Ghost is a necessary third term even if it cannot be defined any less ambiguously than Lao Tsu's 'Tao', Sufism's 'Al-lah', advaita's 'Unicity' or that which is 'beyond all logic' according to the writers of the Katha Upanishad.

Yin and Yang are often likened to the two faces of a mountain, one in sunlight and one in shade. Yin and Yang and the Mountain make three. Light and shade are dual-aspects of a third phenomenon that is not its aspects.

Nobel prize-winner Erwin Schrodinger, who argued for the last forty years of his life that the Upanishads contained the true explanation of the universe, proposed that subject and object are one. If so, our world reduces to subject, object and something else, and these would be the three fundamental terms in his explanation of it.

But this three times as long as it should be so I'll stop. Please excuse the length if this stuff is not as interesting to you as is to me.

Canute

[Infinite Consciousness]

Soul - spirit - mind - all three are one.

Soul is the source - spirit is its outer expression as attention - mind is a part of the Light that goes into outer expression because we have lost our connection with the Sound (the Formative Sound of Creation which physicists are calling strings).

That Sound is the source of all Light (Consciousness) and as we have lost conscious awareness of it part of our Light goes out as Mind which per se is not conscious but uses our attention to repetitively recreate itself.

When we through meditation (concentration) return our attention to its source the soul within us - we reconnect consciously with the Light of Truth or Word of God - and the Sound - Current or Word or Voice of God that we hear - magnetically pulls back and holds the light of our mind from its outer expression.

Soul is the True Light of Infinite Consciousness - Spirit is the Sound -Current or life Itself - and mind is some of our light gone into outer expression - when we are consciously aware of our unity - these three are One undivided Whole - then we are "immortal" and realize and experience our True Self as the Immortal Spirit that we are.

This is not only the T. (theory) O.E. It is the Truth of Everything and when this Truth is realized experienced and merged in then that is the Truth that shall set you free !