[mkirkpatrick]

How many times in this lifetime have I thought,"Whats in it for me!"When things did not go my way!I would at times feel "sorry for myself"Save you the
trouble!Worries and grave concerns that befell me,the sleepless nights I had
worried sick,about me?Fast forward a few years,then a gradual dawning that
I may not really be me??Whatshock!What horror!What about all those wasted
years I had spent feeling sorryfor me!Dont they count for something?Err well
no,they do not!I gathered through study and conversation,over a period of
years that I was here,and present,but that me was really an illusion?In fact
I was told quite bluntly by a being looking at "me" squarely in the eye,that there is no such thing as me?This sent a shiver down the spine,as it seemed
to have a ring of truth to it!If there is no ME,then what the hell is there?
to be continued.
regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

it is 'I' that is looking at 'i' perception of me. i or me is a relative term which 'I' uses to identify the 'person' in which it is shelled presently. the consciousness/awareness,which is 'my' innate nature has no physical personification, but it does indicate its immanence in its manifestations---the living beings.when one is established in ones own 'self',---which is our reality---there is no body-mind consciousness, as that is not out real habitat.difficult to explain but very blissful state to be in!ls.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra it is 'I' that is looking at 'i' perception of me. i or me is a relative term which 'I' uses to identify the 'person' in which it is shelled presently. the consciousness/awareness,which is 'my' innate nature has no physical personification, but it does indicate its immanence in its manifestations---the living beings.when one is established in ones own 'self',---which is our reality---there is no body-mind consciousness, as that is not out real habitat.difficult to explain but very blissful state to be in!ls.

Thanks for the reply,it can seem quite confusing,you,me,and I!I know where
I fit in,but what about me?

regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

As soon the 'being' of consciousness becomes aware to the body-conscious, 'me' becomes 'absent'(merges, becomes one in its original. These are 'flashes' of soul, through its consciousness. Try to prolong their duration, soon you would experience oneness with the Self (soul).when the steadiness of mind is sustained for longer periods, these in fact transform into the state of 'Nirvana' of Buddha. You would not want to come out its reveries’. Ls.

[mkirkpatrick]

There is a saying "to thine own self be true",it does not say to thine own me
be true!I think I get the picture now?There seems to be an "I" but no me!
When the dawning of "no me" lightened my darkened mind,there was a great
wave of sadness that engulfed my being.I was loosing me,and i did not want
to let go of me?What a position to be in!Not stuck between a rock and a hard place!But stuck between I and me?It took a while to get used to the idea that "me" was in effect,and in fact,an illusion!I needed to further under-
stand though,that one needed to also understand that there were two-sides
to what is real?There is relative reality where "me"hangs out,and "seems" real
then there is absolute reality where me "dissolves" into the ALL!

kind regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

The I is only important when understanding 'we' but because 'we' is all-inclusive, there is no need to define. I hope you are over your self-pity stage. When you start to serve humanity, instead of your own needs, you become lighter...

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl The I is only important when understanding 'we' but because 'we' is all-inclusive, there is no need to define. I hope you are over your self-pity stage. When you start to serve humanity, instead of your own needs, you become lighter...

Interesting you say that harmony,I have matured a little over the past
40 years,i have devoted the last 30 to trying to serve my fellow man,and
woman,both in paid and much in voluntary work,i have done what i believe to be the right thing to do,have you done the same,for as long,I wonder.!
And to make unkind remarks about one,tells me much about THeir state of
maturity and emotional balance!

kind regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

.hg;the premier most preamble to the subjugation of body-conscious is its elimination in the service of others;thought,word &deed all dedicated in the service of society. the self of such persons can only be found in the hearts of others! It is self-piety not self-pity. it is not in our dictionary. Pity is the refuge of the cowards, who have no confidence in there own-selves. Here it is in abundance. We share& rejoice! (What is your next missile?) with regards’.ls.

[harmonygirl]

Michael I am not in a contest with you over how many years I have served humanity. I think you missing my point. If you read my post carefully, I cast no aspersions on you. Seriously. Try reading it again and maybe a little meditation.

[harmonygirl]

rp, it's not society that needs to be served, but humanity. Society is dominated by the self-interested and typically does not serve humanity well because it oppresses and excludes. Just look at the difficulty that I have trying to make equal reference to yin and yang...