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Smile Re: God and the universe. - 04-05-2007, 08:25 PM

A God-who-is-a-person would, like us,
Be composite, and thus exist above
The Ground of Ultimate Reality,
And, so, could not, in itself, be its own cause.


The above composite God, complete with a planning system and an emotional system, seems to be a problem in very many ways. See
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god-toc.htm

A God-which-is-not-a-person would be
The Ground of Ultimate Reality—
Strings, Energy, Awareness, whatever—
The source of which forms/is our reality.


You could even call it the Ground of Determination (G-O-D or G.O.D.) and then at least it would have a single meaning.
  
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Re: God and the universe. - 04-05-2007, 09:33 PM

I believe also an idea like 'God' is not a person. A subject has limitations, a god shouldn't have them.
It would also explain the fact that we cannot really understand the idea of 'god'.

What I also wonder is why 'in a closed system energy always remains the same'.

Is God energy?

In former days, people believed in a 'vis vitalis'. Now, people have discovered it's actually energy, and it's everywhere.
(and it always remains the same).

Also we don't really see God. A person would be something we can see. (Or maybe he is more persons).

But we don't see him, so he's not a person.

If we wouldn't see him, and he is a person, then what we see is not real.
  
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Re: God and the universe. - 04-07-2007, 01:46 PM

All the stars roll by for me to classify
Science more and more my life does simplify;
But I have one final question left to ask:
Why in the world was I born to live and die?

Since life’s complex, they say it must have origin—
It couldn’t have made itself or always have been!
The answer: God; but, they’ve begged the question
God couldn’t have made himself or always have been!

A thousand starry goblets fill the sky,
So we can taste Heaven’s drink when we die.
This is man’s tale, not God’s, so drink today—
The stars shine on, heedless of where we lie.

When I chased the flitting shadows of some
Unknown ultimate perfectionate ONE,
The phantom fled at my touch, a dim image
Reflected faint and far removed from.

Knowing that I can’t solve the eternal mystery
Frees me from that senseless task and all its misery.
Now I see, hear, smell, feel, and drink into my being
ALL reality that penetrates sensibility.

Why fret about life’s ultimate secret,
For whose thoughts can escape this worldly net?
It’s so easy: don’t despair, be happy!
All told, ’tis best to live without regret.

Helpful effort, or love, defines what’s good;
Goodness taken to extreme is called God.
Laziness, or non-love, is but neutral.
Evil, or harm excess, names the Devil.

Good and evil—you can’t have one without
The other; so, too, with plenty and drought,
Sadness and smile, life and death, night and day,
Sun and flood, give and take, and truth and doubt.

In Heaven, desired pleasures will come like rain,
Or so we’ve dreamed till we felt no mortal pain;
But we needn’t wait for some promise beyond,
Since on Earth—enjoying life—we have the same!

If we were angels, life would be so just;
Instead, we try, we push, we climb, we lust,
We dance, we dream, we feel, we love with zest—
Yes, all this, thanks to the beast within us!

Purgatory is on Venus—where sulfurs rain.
Hell is found in the sun’s heart—oh, hot burning pain!
Of Heaven’s site, no one has any idea—
For it’s the world’s best kept secret: Earth is its name!

In the darkness I alit from the Wiz,
Then tried to make sense of this world of His.
Now I’ve found the answer to life’s dark quiz:
One must live this life by what light there is.
  
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Re: God and the universe. - 04-18-2007, 06:35 PM

Imagen this heavy rock, fixed on a long cable; this long cable is fixed on a tall crane;

There are two persons; one person takes the rock in his hands ( the rock still connected on the cable which is connected on the crane) and walking, he takes up a distance from the other person. Then he lets go the rock (so I think potential energy gets kinetic), and the rock swings to the other person. The fact that the rock will hit the other person depends on his distance to the first one.

What I mean is, the fact that the rock hits this person or not is dependent on his distance; if he's close enough, he will get hit by the rock; if he's far enough he won't get hit by it.

So God won't hold the rock to hit the person if he's close enough; on the other hand, God won't make the rock hit the person if he's far enough.

So you could say God made the law of conservation of energy. But He won't intervene in the fact that the person will get hit by the rock or not.
  
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Re: God and the universe. - 04-26-2007, 05:05 PM

The stone of Sisyphus can only be rolled up, if it has first rolled down.

In my opinion infinity can only get a meaning, when there is some border; otherwise I think it's nothing.
Border is an illusion, it's a focus of potential energy. This infinity is energy, ready to work.

Galaxies look turbulent, like tornado's; I think they come and go. But in this turbulence there is order.

I think we've been constructed from chaos.
I think order is impossible without chaos.

There are billions of galaxies. (my image is, billions of 'tornados'; (i.e. gravitytornados)).

It's like there always has to be a storm before something can exist. Storms or turbulence create interaction and thus create life. I think they create the ability of focusing potential energy.

It's just like infinity (which has always been), curls itself, it focusses, to create interaction.
In my image, infinity-nothing uses its 'dualistic schizophrenia' to create.

There might just be no fundament at all, but still there is creation. Nothing-infinity duplicates itself.

What's the meaning of a human lifetime in relation to the lifetime of a galaxy?

Perpetuum mobile; life-death or death-life, be-not be, exist-not exist.

Don't you think there is a lot of circular movement in the universe?
  
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Smile Re: God and the universe. - 04-26-2007, 06:16 PM

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The stone of Sisyphus can only be rolled up, if it has first rolled down.

In my opinion infinity can only get a meaning, when there is some border; otherwise I think it's nothing.
Border is an illusion, it's a focus of potential energy. This infinity is energy, ready to work.

Galaxies look turbulent, like tornado's; I think they come and go. But in this turbulence there is order.

I think we've been constructed from chaos.
I think order is impossible without chaos.

There are billions of galaxies. (my image is, billions of 'tornados'; (i.e. gravitytornados)).

It's like there always has to be a storm before something can exist. Storms or turbulence create interaction and thus create life. I think they create the ability of focusing potential energy.

It's just like infinity (which has always been), curls itself, it focusses, to create interaction.
In my image, infinity-nothing uses its 'dualistic schizophrenia' to create.

There might just be no fundament at all, but still there is creation. Nothing-infinity duplicates itself.

What's the meaning of a human lifetime in relation to the lifetime of a galaxy?

Perpetuum mobile; life-death or death-life, be-not be, exist-not exist.

David,where can I find this stone of Sisyphus,have never heard tell of it afore!

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Re: God and the universe. - 04-26-2007, 06:22 PM

I think just everywhere, look around you.

  
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I think just everywhere, look around you.


I am looking David,prehaps it is hidden?



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Re: God and the universe. - 04-26-2007, 06:35 PM

Don't search for the stone; think: 'there is no stone'.

Search for its significance.

I think what you mean by it might just be dependent on your own perspective.

  
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Smile Re: God and the universe. - 04-26-2007, 06:48 PM

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Don't search for the stone; think: 'there is no stone'.

Search for its significance.

I think what you mean by it might just be dependent on your own perspective.


Ahh,David now I realize where you are coming from!Don't I ?




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