God and the universe.

[David Maes]

Science is a methodology to determine truth; that’s why religions don’t want to use it.

Like religion, scientist present theories; the only difference is that the scientist expects experimental data (science) to confirm it or not; religion only expects you to have faith and believe the athoritarians.

Science without religion flourishes. Religion makes science lame. (D.Levi Wing)

I'm going to post something, but I don't have much time to do that, or to be busy with that. So I'm going to post, for what it's worth.

I know we can't be indifferent to some disasters which happen, or could happen in the world. I give you some:

- Bacteria become virulent (nature finds its way...)
- A comet can hit the earth, cause a tsunami of the earth's crust, and kill everything on our planet (literally no-one would survive, no one, no animal, no plant (except maybe a few bacteria very deep in the ground...; nature finds its way).
This maybe sounds ridiculous, but I've last heard somewhere there is a higher probability of being struck by an asteroid than to die in an accident of an aircraft.
Anyway, there should be build rockets to avoid this (I mean to avoid being hit by the asteroid or comet of course).
- the hot-house effect (tornado's, rising water, ...)
- supervolcanos
- ...

A tsunami (of water) already struck our planet. Obviously God did not interfer.
So these are all motives which enforce the atheistic view (which is a very strong one).

On the other hand I don't really think God was thinking: "Oh, now I'm going to make a Tsunami and hit that part of the world to have some fun."

I rather see the world as artificial, not absolute, ... just following laws of nature.

Mathematics is a very artificial language, but seems to be the most natural one.
(Also don't forget the incompleteness theorem of Gödel.)

I believe God doesn't really have human properties. (that's why I believe we cannot understand Him).
(In fact I even believe we are being "thought", like we would be information).

Our brain is built from neurons. These units of life kind of communicate, interact.
All together, this results in consciousness and "I"-consciousness.
Do cells actually know they are part of an organism?

If we, all together, (with our consciousness), in our interaction would be part of a higher consciousness, would we know it?
Do we have a guarantee that the world as we know it is the real one?

Imagen you are God. There is nothing but you. You have all the power, all the capacities. Everything you think can be materialized. What would you do?

Does He look in a mirror?

I also believe in undeterminism.

But I still believe in God because of three reasons:

- My belief is that the purpose of life is: to be, to exist (of course no guarantee this is all true; just philosophizing...).

We are, we exist, we experience free will, ... (of course this is also very relative).

- How in earth can anything start to exist out of totally nothing??
- We might just all be part of 'the never-ending story'.
Even if the whole universe ends or 'dies'. Maybe He just creates a new one.

Of course I think it could also still be true that when you leave this life, everything you experienced or did, had some meaning in kind of an afterlife; cause life on its own eventually seems to be some kind of 'Sysifus'-labour, seeking for significance, which eventually ends; or being a used product for reproduction or evolution.


Of course, this is just philosophizing, just some subjective assumptions, wild guesses from an interested layman.

To be honest, I'm born, live, die and I don't understand anything about it.

I think anything might be possible.

[dipayankar]

Couple of things I would like to comment on here is :

For God to think like a human 'He / She' needs to exist. I have my doubts here.

In a nation, every individual does not need to be a part of a community. He/she can contribute to the national upbringing in an unique manner, not knowing how much their contributions matter to the nation. Similarly the cells need not know what their contributions to the organism are as long as they do their own job...

I'm going to post something, but I don't have much time to do that, or to be busy with that. So I'm going to post, for what it's worth.

I know we can't be indifferent to some disasters which happen, or could happen in the world. I give you some:

- Bacteria become virulent (nature finds its way...)
- A comet can hit the earth, cause a tsunami of the earth's crust, and kill everything on our planet (literally no-one would survive, no one, no animal, no plant (except maybe a few bacteria very deep in the ground...; nature finds its way).
This maybe sounds ridiculous, but I've last heard somewhere there is a higher probability of being struck by an asteroid than to die in an accident of an aircraft.
Anyway, there should be build rockets to avoid this (I mean to avoid being hit by the asteroid or comet of course).
- the hot-house effect (tornado's, rising water, ...)
- supervolcanos
- ...

A tsunami (of water) already struck our planet. Obviously God did not interfer.
So these are all motives which enforce the atheistic view (which is a very strong one).

On the other hand I don't really think God was thinking: "Oh, now I'm going to make a Tsunami and hit that part of the world to have some fun."

I rather see the world as artificial, not absolute, ... just following laws of nature.

Mathematics is a very artificial language, but seems to be the most natural one.
(Also don't forget the incompleteness theorem of Gödel.)

I believe God doesn't really have human properties. (that's why I believe we cannot understand Him).
(In fact I even believe we are being "thought", like we would be information).

Our brain is built from neurons. These units of life kind of communicate, interact.
All together, this results in consciousness and "I"-consciousness.
Do cells actually know they are part of an organism?

If we, all together, (with our consciousness), in our interaction would be part of a higher consciousness, would we know it?
Do we have a guarantee that the world as we know it is the real one?

Imagen you are God. There is nothing but you. You have all the power, all the capacities. Everything you think can be materialized. What would you do?

Does He look in a mirror?

I also believe in undeterminism.

But I still believe in God because of three reasons:

- My belief is that the purpose of life is: to be, to exist (of course no guarantee this is all true; just philosophizing...).

We are, we exist, we experience free will, ... (of course this is also very relative).

- How in earth can anything start to exist out of totally nothing??
- We might just all be part of 'the never-ending story'.
Even if the whole universe ends or 'dies'. Maybe He just creates a new one.

Of course I think it could also still be true that when you leave this life, everything you experienced or did, had some meaning in kind of an afterlife; cause life on its own eventually seems to be some kind of 'Sysifus'-labour, seeking for significance, which eventually ends; or being a used product for reproduction or evolution.


Of course, this is just philosophizing, just some subjective assumptions, wild guesses from an interested layman.

To be honest, I'm born, live, die and I don't understand anything about it.

I think anything might be possible.

[David Maes]

For God to think like a human 'He / She' needs to exist.

I don't really believe He thinks like a human.

[dipayankar]

Actually I was doubting the very existance of God. The Universe will run smoothly even if we remove the concept of God..

I don't really believe He thinks like a human.

[David Maes]

Actually I was doubting the very existance of God. The Universe will run smoothly even if we remove the concept of God..

I'm curious. I don't understand. How can anything start to exist out of totally nothing?

[dleviwing]

David Meas;
Take your god to the religious forum. Your posts have been moved here to the thread “God and the universe”. Unless you wish to present scientific proof of the existence of a deity, don’t post religious preachings in the science forums and not in my threads.

[David Maes]

It's OK Dave.

Of course I cannot prove the existence of a deity in a scientific way.

But I do wonder; could you give me a scientific answer to the question how anything can start to exist out of totally nothing?

[dleviwing]

But I do wonder; could you give me a scientific answer to the question how anything can start to exist out of totally nothing?

The answer is simple; It did NOT start from absolute nothing. Human thinking seems to have a problem with the concepts of eternity and infinity; they should get over it.

[purveyor of knowledge]

Can you prove that proof exists, and if so, what is true proof? Is it what you believe is true?

[dleviwing]

That’s why it’s called “Religion” and not “science” POK.