[Graybeard]

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

The following partial extract is is evidently true, copied from the above website including the Key Point:

"It would have to be a teacher's worst nightmare.

Imagine that you are a high school English teacher. You are standing at the front of the classroom working through the day's lesson. Perhaps you and your students are studying verb conjugation, or analyzing one of Shakespeare's plays. It is another normal day in the American education system, and you have a lot of material to cover.

Then the sound fills your classroom. Gunshots. And screaming. A gunman has entered the school and is shooting at people as he makes his way down the hallway toward your classroom.

What would you do?

If you were English teacher Neva Rogers at Red Lake high school, you would take immediate action. You would shut off the lights in the classroom. You would close and lock the classroom door. [ref] You would tell your students to crouch in a corner of the classroom to get out of harm's way. Then you would stand in the middle of the room and begin praying to God. According to student witnesses, Ms. Rogers prayed, "God be with us. God help us."

The gunman walks to Neva Rogers' classroom door and finds it locked. He shoots out the glass panel next to the door and it explodes in a shower of tiny crystalline fragments. The gunman reaches in through the hole he has created, unlocks the door and shoves it out of the way to enter the classroom. Dressed completely in black and measuring six feet tall, he is a huge, hulking apparition.

He crosses the threshold of the classroom and looks at Ms. Rogers as she prays. He is armed with a massive 12-gauge shotgun. He raises the gun with both hands so it is pointing straight at Rogers' head. ......................."

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* KeyPoint
* In Mark 11:24 Jesus promises Neva Rogers that, "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that
* you have received it, and it will be yours." In John 14:14 Jesus promises, "if you ask anything
* in my name, I will do it." Yet when Neva prayed for protection from the gunman, Jesus
* completely ignored her. Jeff Weise shot Neva Rogers in the head four times, and she died in a
* pool of her own blood.
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greg

[austintorn@aol.com]

That was one thorough website. Thanks.

Claimed miracles always involve something nebulous, like someone's hearing improving, but never anything that we can actually see straight out.

Much of the world remains mired in the mythic age.

[mkirkpatrick]

You have brought up an interesting point here Greg,however the other half of the full
story seems to have been omitted,that of eternal life and Karma!In truth no-one ever
dies,or has ever died!We exchange vehicles often,but life persists because its very nature
is eternal,life is;beyond Alpha and Omega,it just IS!


regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

dear Greg; the gunner as well as the children he is shooting at, are the product of the society, which is nourished on value-less education. Education sans character and human-values will produce only such like models. What about the role of the parents? Are we ideal examples for our children? A society where the rate of divorce or broken family, is over sixty%, is not healthy place to nourish young and tender hearts. Before starting the blaming game for our acts of omission and commission, we aught to imbibe His teachings& follow His life! Love&regards.ls

[r.p.bibra]

All the time we are negating God, but as soon natural calamities strike us or some lunatic plays Satan, we turn to god for being so indifferent to human sufferings, but mostly this expressions of ‘contempt’ are directed towards the religiosity, to slight their faith. When there is no place for god, in the vocabulary of the physical scientists, then why this whining for Him? Science is very specific and holds very independent viewpoint about the universe& its creations i.e. matter and life. So why drag a non-existent entity, let Him be as It is and better leave Him in the ‘care’ of the hypocrites, insane, and what not?
Let us introspect ourselves and be honest for once. We are cut off from all finer aspects of life. Art has given way to so-called ‘modern art’; literature, which is the bane of intelligence, has been thrown in the backyard of the brain, and its place has been taken by pornography, tabloid and gossip columns; human values and moral codes of conduct, once the pillars of our culture have been replaced by profanity, proximity and filthy erudite, in the name of freedom of expression; houses of god have been converted into the nursery of hatred. Our brains are running fast into the mysteries of the matter, but we have paid a heavy price, by losing touch with r/his inner-self! We are good scientists/engineers/doctors, but are we good/noble human beings? Are we competent to answer this question? If the answer is affirmative then there is hardly any need for introspection, as we are the masters of our own fate and hence fully competent to handle our selves as well as the world around us! In case it is negative, then there is need to take council, but from whom? That is the mystery, because ‘matter’ or the intelligence driven out of the matter is not going to solve those problems, of which it is the principal cause!
Complete harmony between the senses and the elements i.e. the inner-self (spiritual) and the outer-world (matter) ---science and spirituality, is the ‘mantra’, which the wise of the day have to ponder over for the sake of the posterity, if their ego does not come in the way. Extraordinary brains need the balm of music of the ‘Divine’. The experience would be soulful, rest assured! With love&regards.ls.

[Graybeard]

Rajinder ....

This thread was not about apportioning blame, rather about the futility of relying on imaginary deities when all else fails.

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra Before starting the blaming game for our acts of omission and commission, we aught to imbibe His teachings& follow His life! Love&regards.ls

Who is 'His' or 'He' ??

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra We are good scientists/engineers/doctors, but are we good/noble human beings? Are we competent to answer this question? If the answer is affirmative then there is hardly any need for introspection, as we are the masters of our own fate and hence fully competent to handle our selves as well as the world around us!

We are the masters of our own fate ..

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra In case it is negative, then there is need to take council, but from whom? That is the mystery, because ‘matter’ or the intelligence driven out of the matter is not going to solve those problems, of which it is the principal cause! Complete harmony between the senses and the elements i.e. the inner-self (spiritual) and the outer-world (matter) ---science and spirituality, is the ‘mantra’, which the wise of the day have to ponder over for the sake of the posterity, if their ego does not come in the way. Extraordinary brains need the balm of music of the ‘Divine’. The experience would be soulful, rest assured! With love&regards.ls.

The teacher didn't have an extraordinary brain, otherwise she would not have wasted time praying.

greg

[r.p.bibra]

[Who is 'His' or 'He' ??
obviously Lord Jesus to whom the prayed was offered.love.ls.

[Graybeard]

But Lord Jesus didn't help. Or do you mean that the situation would not have arisen if the gunmen had followed his teachings?



Why teach people to rely on something that can't help? This was the point of the thread

best wishes ... greg

[r.p.bibra]

greg..
Why are we going astray from the central issue or as you call it “KeyPoint”? The fault lies with thy system and the parenthood which create such environments, where only hatred spew and senses emit only sensual ‘love’, instead of sublime love!
Why don’t we blame ourselves, as we are responsible for the acts of our offspring’s, as we are responsible for our deeds (or misdeeds)? During childhood children are exposed to the behavior of their parents and the teachers in the school. Your missive is misplaced; it should be shot at the system or us. Had the gunner been through a congenial upbringing at home, he would not have sought to avenge it by destroying the life of another. He was only taking revenge of his lost childhood. Neva Roger was an ideal student; she was doing the right thing at the right time. Only we should rue the system which produces these freaks. Protection of life and property is our responsibility, why blame Lord Jesus. Why we invoke Him, whom we deny! We are searching for toe but deny its ‘motivator’. By the way, are we discovering or ‘creating’ the toe? If it were already there, then what is our role in its ‘generation’, and if we are inventing it, then we ourselves are illusion living in illusive world! Love&regards.ls.
ps. of what use is education if it does not teach us humity, compassion and perserence. look at the behavior of some of the members of toe,it is anything but civil, and they possess high class degrees!

[r.p.bibra]

Greg,
Extraordinary” brains are of those who are engaged, with supercharged energies, in the discovery of toe. They need the balm of ‘divinity’!
Yes, if the gunman had followed the teachings of Lord Jesus there would have this episode of carnage. Love does not breed hatred or violence.
Love&regards.ls.