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Mystic and Mysters ravel the TOE threads
With those answers that can never be read;
So many fights—the posters are spent;
Thence their descent, hence to fishing went…

[leskey]

Originally Posted by Drifter

Aren't you always, you bad boy?

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by leskey Aren't you always, you bad boy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EebObs-vC0

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Rest In Peace
Covis.

Now you know
the TOE.

[melanie]

austintorn Now you know the TOE.

A TOE that can be spoken of is not the TOE.
It's not for us to know.



''If you say you know .... You do not''

For who is there to know? ... and yet it is known, One with the Knowing by No-One.

What ever we think or imagine it to be, it will always be different from that.

[MJA]

Hi Melanie,

I know you were a bad girl and banned, and now I'm glad your back.

=
MJA

I use to say: I like my woman dirty and my truck clean!
Was that messed up, or simply right on?

[melanie]

Originally Posted by MJA Hi Melanie, I know you were a bad girl and banned, and now I'm glad your back. = MJA I use to say: I like my woman dirty and my truck clean! Was that messed up, or simply right on?

Thanks MJA

Nice to have your equally balanced head on board too.

Bows and blessings to you.

melanie.

[MJA]

"The more the fruits of knowledge become accessible to men, the more widespread is the decline of religious belief." Sigmund Freud

I would add: And with the attainment of wisdom or truth, knowledge becomes less necessary as well.

=
MJA

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by MJA "The more the fruits of knowledge become accessible to men, the more widespread is the decline of religious belief." Sigmund Freud I would add: And with the attainment of wisdom or truth, knowledge becomes less necessary as well. = MJA

I, for one, agree with on this MJA.




“It is easier to perceive error than to find truth,” wrote the poet Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, “for the former lies on the surface and is easily seen, while the latter lies in the depth, where few are willing to search for it.”


OK, Get your thinking caps on- Here’s a great brain teaser:
There are 2 rooms that are completely isolated from each other. In 1 room, there are 3 light switches. In the other, 3 light bulbs.
How can you determine which light switch is connected to each light bulb if you can only be in each room ONCE?


Pure Awareness[Primal][Animating Energy] .. ''Personal Awareness'' 'you'

Compare this Animating Energy to electricity.
It expresses as light via a light bulb.
The light bulb may consider his wiring as that which supplies the light.
When the bulb hears about this undying electricity, it may say, "yes but when this wiring inside me finally gives out, the light disappears and that will be the end of me."
If this lamp would see that the light originates in the electricity and not in his wiring,
he would recognize this as his true nature,
That what enlivens him and is not affected by the end of the lamp.
All I can suggest is to find out how real this 'me' is that might die.
The certainty that you are not the body has to come and burn away the doubts.
Find and recognize the electricity that 'lights up' your wiring. This recognition can not be given to you as it takes the 'you' you think you are away.

See if this 'you' that supposedly does the thinking can be found apart from thought itself.

See if there really is a you that does the thinking and the living.
If it cannot be found, then who is going to die?

As long as you believe yourself to be limited to the body mind organism, instead of the Animating Energy, you will be like the lamp and you will sell yourself short.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by MJA "The more the fruits of knowledge become accessible to men, the more widespread is the decline of religious belief." Sigmund Freud I would add: And with the attainment of wisdom or truth, knowledge becomes less necessary as well. = MJA

Intelligent..Knowledgeable..Educated. Do you use these words interchangeably or do they mean distinct and separate things to you?

My understanding of them is this:

I = you can understand things
K = you know things
E = you've been to school

I is the most useful; K is over-rated; E is probably useless.

They mean distinct and separate things. Knowledgeable is easy to understand and it makes perfect sense. I don't use educated as much because it gives the person less credit for what they know and how they learned and how intelligent they are. Intelligent is much different than the others and it involves a more unique perspective. I definitely know when someone is intelligent or knowledgeable or both. Knowledgeable goes both ways to educated and intelligent, while educated does not imply intelligent at all and vise versa.

Someone can be extremely intelligent, but for whatever reason not be knowledgeable ("book-smart") or educated (having a degree..which, I believe, can be bought if one has enough money and one's parents can "endow" some building..having a degree can be meaningless, as we have plenty of politicians who are great examples).

Your completely right. But we function through knowledge and it seems like the more intelligent you are the more knowledge you might aquire versus not being intelligent and not gaining anything from anything.

So you consider yourself to be intelligent. You believe people who are knowledgeable can answer questions you may have and give reliable advice..and that an "educated" person is book smart.

They are distinct, though there is some correlation. If you are intelligent and live in a community that offers good quality education, you will probably be educated, and you will have gained some knowledge. But it is perfectly possible for someone to be highly intelligent and have missed the chance to be educated. One can also become knowledgeable without formal education. And a fool who is forced through the education system can be educated but neither intelligent nor knowledgeable (a certain President springs to mind).

Intelligent - has to do with I.Q.
Knowledgeable - knows alot - source undefined
Educated - has been to school or self-taught

But an "educated" person can have a degree and be dumb as mud..and also have learned what was necessary to pass tests by rote memorization but never understood what he/she was learning.

Intelligence is like gas in the car. Doesn't mean you actually use it. Knowledge and education are very similar to me. It means you have gained something by education but that it is still just knowledge, stuff you know. But then if you know how to use it, apply the knowledge, learn from your education by doing, then you get to the level of wisdom. That's the peak for me, using my intelligence to gain knowledge and then knowing how to use it for good.

However, there are some "educated" people..I won't name names..who have a degree..from a recognizable college..who are as dumb as a wheelbarrow of mud (not to defame or disparage mud). Some people are extremely knowledgeable who have very little education..they have gone out on their own and tried to learn things...there are some extremely intelligent people who, for one reason or another, may not be very knowledgeable or educated. Does that change anything in your answer?

Maybe, though I think that you can get educated just by watching grandpa fix the car or dad fix a chair. I do know many people that have book learning but then it's just stale and stagnant without moving into the wisdom stage by not using it for anything. If Johnny watched his Grandpa changing sparkplugs he is getting educated and now has some knowledge on how to do it himself. If he does it on his own car when he gets his first car, then he has gained wisdom and knows how to maintain his car. But if Johnny just read it in a book or saw his Grandpa doing it and didn't work his brain to load it into memory and realize he can use it, it's just education, because he doesn't 'know' how to use it or doesn't see the purpose, and Johnny is an idiot

Good points, all..to me "educated" has meant in a formal setting...school to be exact. That was precisely why I asked the question..to learn what others think of when they hear those words.

"Intelligence" is raw ability and "knowledgeable" speaks for itself. "Educated" is formal training that includes the latter but not necessarily the former.

One can be "educated", e.g., have a degree, and still be very dumb..one can be "knowledgeable", but perhaps it is by rote and the person doesn't really understand what he/she has memorized or the greater implications of that knowledge..intelligence is always there to serve one well..it exists separate and apart from "book-learning" and "degrees"...I will take an intelligent person any day over an "educated" or "knowledgeable" person.

"Knowledge" is the tool. "Intelligence" is the hand that uses it and "Education" is the skill taught how to. Without these three elements in harmony one can easily fit the term "educated idiot"
That is very poetic and extremely well stated!

In man five 'powers' exist, which are the agents of perception---that is to
say, through these five powers, man perceives material things.
These are;
sight, which perceives visible forms;
hearing, which perceives audible sounds;
smell, which perceives odors;
taste, which perceives foods; and
feeling, which is all parts of the body and perceives tangible things.
These five powers perceive outward existences.

Man has also 'spiritual 'powers': These are;
imagination, which conceives things;
thought, which reflects upon realities;
comprehension, which comprehends realities;
memory, which retains whatever man imagines, thinks and comprehends.

The intermediary between the five outward powers and the inward powers is
the 'sense' which they posses in common---that is to say, the sense which
acts between the outer and the inner powers, conveys to the inward powers
whatever the outward powers discern.
It is termed the 'common faculty', because it communicates between the
outward and the inward powers and thus is common to the outward and inward
powers.

For instance, sight is one of the outer powers; it sees and perceives this
flower, and conveys this perception to the inner power-the common
faculty---which transmits this perception to the power of imagination, which
in turn conceives and forms this image and transmits it to the power of
thought; the power of thought reflects and, having grasp the thought,
conveys it to the power of comprehension; the power of comprehension, when
it has comprehended it, delivers the image of the object perceived to the
power of memory, and the memory keeps it in repository.

The outward powers are five: the power of sight, of hearing, of smell, of
taste and of feeling.
The inner powers are five; the common faculty, and the powers of
imagination, thought, comprehension and memory.

'Common sense' as defined by Abdul l baha.