[Rufus]

All beings, creatures and things are part of a single entity

That entity is what humans refer to as god

All scripture is created by humans

Humans have attempted to create god in their own image, mistakenly as male

As part of the entity of humanity any of us may speak as god

No god of this humanity would create a christ that represented only one sex, one race and one religion

No god would allow such a person to be violated with such tragedy

namron soar

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Rufus All beings, creatures and things are part of a single entity................. That entity is what humans refer to as god...... As part of the entity of humanity any of us may speak as god namron soar

What does "any of us may speak as god" actually mean?

[Profpat]

Hi Rufus;

I guess as the title of your thread suggest you like speaking for God.

Of course to do that you should 1st believe in God, but as I understand your theory you don't believe you are real.

I'm not trying to speak for God here but let me offer some of my thoughts on the matter.

God is male, following the male principle of being Active. The female principle is Passive, Yielding and Receptive of the Active God principle.

Now for the beautiful allegorical story of Jesus. Jesus is the Perfect Archetype of what we humans are capable of. Jesus was a Jew, accepted by many Jewish and Gentiles as being that Archetype.

You perhaps don't fully understand the metaphor of the cruxifiction of Jesus. Again a Perfect Innocent Martyr, whose suffering while imense, was necessary to demonstate how much Love that Person had.
Additionally, through God's grace that suffering on the cross lasted 3 hours instead of the normal day to days of suffering of slow suffication.

Just MY thoughts I'm not speaking for God.

Best,

Pat

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Tina What does "any of us may speak as god" actually mean?

Tina

We tend to take the Religious thing a bit too seriously. We pretend that someone can hear our specific prayers when they can only be heard by the one who prays. God, (us) can only hear the general prayers of the populous. In the name of some religions I would be punished seriously for what I have just said.

We are the god to whom we pray and we continuously act as god and we may, and continuously speak as god.

As a youth I was very active in the church, my father an elder, my mother was in the choir. I had to leave it in my early twenties because it failed to address the real problems of the world in a realistic way. To a religious person pot is a dangerous narcotic but tobacco and alcohol were socially acceptable in moderation. The greed of profit was also accepted by the church.

Rufe

[Rufus]

Prof Pat

It's difficult to respond to you about this

There are many works in this world that people have written

If you have been brought up to believe in a story of this nature, you are entitled

Much of this place (toe) is about theology and theory

I have abandoned those things and it took some 44 years to do so

Absolutes are my only foundation now. I disallow conjecture

but then that's me, you can do as you wish

My cross to bear is the earth, the inhabitants including the creatures and plants

And our terrible penchant for degradation

Look around you, your god has abandoned you

nsoar

[r.p.bibra]

When there is no mind, there is no world, and there is no God either. Give it a thought. Why hassle about religion, spirituality or God! These are, but the creation of mind. Withdraw consciousness from the mind and we are just its creations (projections)!.love & regards.ls.

[bottomlander]

Originally Posted by Rufus Absolutes are my only foundation now. I disallow conjecture ..... Look around you, your god has abandoned you. nsoar

It seems wonderful if you really finalized enough things as Absolutes.
Most philosophers and physicists cannot be so arrogant to confirm what are Absolutes.
The mainstream recognition seems most things are Relatives. Premises and Foundations are still presumptions.

Once a person really got enough Absolutes, that person should be able to employ them to develop the absolute TOE. Congratulations!

.....

Look around us, after God activated Nature, our God let us improve with independence. Any how, I appreciate your independent thinking.

Best Regards. Bottomlander

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Rufus Tina In the name of some religions I would be punished seriously for what I have just said. We are the god to whom we pray and we continuously act as god and we may, and continuously speak as god. The greed of profit was also accepted by the church. Rufe

Here are a few pertinent lines from my friends poem:

I am He who brought forth humankind
And I am He who would destroy humankind
at a whim
And I am Thee.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra When there is no mind, there is no world, and there is no God either. Give it a thought. Why hassle about religion, spirituality or God! These are, but the creation of mind. Withdraw consciousness from the mind and we are just its creations (projections)!.love & regards.ls.

R P Bibra

I agree wholeheartedly

What you just said is completely compatible with my post

rufe

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by bottomlander It seems wonderful if you really finalized enough things as Absolutes. Most philosophers and physicists cannot be so arrogant to confirm what are Absolutes. The mainstream recognition seems most things are Relatives. Premises and Foundations are still presumptions. Once a person really got enough Absolutes, that person should be able to employ them to develop the absolute TOE. Congratulations! ..... Look around us, after God activated Nature, our God let us improve with independence. Any how, I appreciate your independent thinking. Best Regards. Bottomlander

Bottomlander

Do I detect some incredulity?

I knew those statements would get someone going

Let me put it this way. "We Exist" is what I refer to as the fundamental absolute.

Can we agree to that point?

Rufe

The absolute toe has already been posted