Does it take an intellectual to knock God??

[SB_UK]

There are a few people in your audience here, who understand the dire predictions of unfolding world events and the necessity to elevate these constructive powers to the next level if, in surviving, we also hope to retain some degree of our hard-won sophistication.

The meek** are about to inherit the Earth.

** better -
{humble, respectful of all others, logically constrained}

meek, love, god, faith, law are the first five words which leap to mind -
in need of accurate representation -

- meek does not imply spineless cannon fodder for the rich and self-appointed
powerful.

[racecar]

Their very heavy going (old english) , little humour, much tragedy and violence ... But they paint an early picture of the American whaling industry that is streets ahead of any historical accounts. And in a peculiar manner, the author manages to make them timeless so that they are just as pertinent to our current society as they were then

But I don't recommend them if your looking for a happy ending.

cool bananas ... greg

I've had some exposure to Moby Dick...having looked up bits and pieces over time (for reasons I can't exactly pinpoint). My boys watched the movie some weeks ago. And with this renewal of interest I've found out that Melville worked on the St. Lawrence...about 30 minutes from my home.

The human interest story...finding meaning and seeing bits and pieces of yourself in others and others in yourself is timeless, indeed.

[arthur]

Hi, Arthur.

The only element that applies to all the aforementioned scenarios is that of freedom within certain given parameters. The universe operates within the constraints of the laws that govern it, just as we, as individuals, operate within the laws of the societies we inhabit.

In the human context, most intellectual growth has occurred by eschewing the fears associated with individual and familial survival and, instead, harnessing the constructive powers of the greater collective, not the least of which is the realization of externalized goodwill. There are a few people in your audience here, who understand the dire predictions of unfolding world events and the necessity to elevate these constructive powers to the next level if, in surviving, we also hope to retain some degree of our hard-won sophistication. Speaking for myself, this would incorporate the awareness that humanity is forever limited while it bestows over-arching powers of government to an elite few.

I've made my point. In all goodwill, whilst I'm interested in learning more about your hypothesis, your interpretation of my post, for better or worse, is irrelevant and of no consequence (words you may, of course, feel free to use in the critiquing of it ).

Hello Lesky
It was my intention to have no more to do with this thread due to my boredom of contending with the (almost) absolute lack of good will shown to me by the very small number of people involved in it,---also--- because of the absolute lack of any display of interest in my proposition and because of the manifest lack of the ability of any of the very few posters involved to display logic, objectivity, common sense, integrity or even the 'common courtesy' of answering non loaded questions or any of the attributes needed to make open and rational discussion possible---But, I assume, Lesky, that you will have noticed all of this in objectively reading the earlier posts, therefore, if this is so, there will be no need for further reiteration.

One of the strange things that has kept me interested, Lesky, during my involvement in this thread, besides the unlikely possibility of having someone make a constructive reference to my proposition has been the intrigue of trying to find a way of explaining how and why posters (not only on this thread) are so willing to demonstrate their lack of the above characteristics with complete indifference and a disregard to that human protective quality of potential or actual 'embarrassment' and yet are happy to indulge in another protective quality of 'aggressiveness', without any qualms, in their attempt to either disguise or to hide or even circumvent the former quality of not "knowing" or of "not understanding" or of being just plain "ignorant" of something that in reality might be no more that a snippet of pseudo intellectual (whatever) which is of no meaningful use to them whatsoever except within their coveted intellectual ego's. When they do receive, for they surely will, a real or a metaphorical kick in the shin , as I have said before, it will all just waft into the aether.

Although I have no idea why you posted your letter and even though I have tried I still have absolutely no idea of the meaning of the point that you claim to have made in goodwill. I feel, Lesky, that if you were to reread your post with a little generosity, particularly the last paragraph, and consider how and why I might interpret it in another light. You wrote that you are interested in learning more of my hypothesis which I am sure you know that my having conceived it, studied it, honed it and fully tested its integral relationship to what I have called The Universal Law for more that 50 years that it is in fact an axiomatic theorem. Anyway-- learning more-- When you write that what I think of you post, "for better or worse" (???) is irrelevant and of no consequence. I think Lesky that with all of the will in the world, if it were to be necessary, even you would forgive me for having doubts concerning your claim of goodwill and also be forgive me for not believing your claim to be interested in learning more (???).

As to the remainder of your post I genuinely cannot even glean an understanding of it, I am therefore unable to offer a critique or to be able to judge its relevant.

…arthur..

[racecar]

[QUOTE=SB_UK;91702]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odysseus
patterns, patterns everywhere -
- now if only we'd ever stop to think

why ?
A geomeT o' E

... ... and so 4 why?tf do we bother tf leavin'
if 4 the rest of tfin' time weez tryin' tf to get tf back agin'.

...t...f...?...



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Sylvester

Evolution to a Tweetier Pie.[/QUOT


Come, let's away to prison:
We too alone will sing like birds I' the cage;
When thou dost ask me blessing I'll kneel down
And ask of thee forgiveness; so we'll live,
And pray, and sing, and tell old tales, and laugh
At gilded butterflies...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHYBVJFZFjo

[leskey]

While we're all just wafting into the aether...Pre-emption does not necessarily constitute agression, Arthur .

Perhaps you chose the law, over science, as your career? The labourious, protracted, judgmental and inaccurate appraisal of individuals is unwarranted...other than to repeatedly demonstrate your forte for intimidation, disparagement and the determined and relentless erosion of another's credibillity.

Your own towering intellect hardly surprises in its excessive and recurrent employment of purported, privileged knowledge as a method to subjugate your fellow man. It is this narcissistic ploy that is at the core of every human malaise...and is now exemplified by this thread.

If the author is incapable of communicating intent to the willing cross-section of participants, it is the presentation of the premise is flawed. In addition, the alleged lack of comprehension of the posts of many participants, is evidence of the diminished or non-existent abilities of one reader, rather than the powers of expression of the many participants.

Personal enlightenment is of great importance to those who seek it...however, the premise must be supported and the delivery should convey it's worth, if it is to be credible, and hence, of benefit to another. Do not overestimate the value of your personal enlightenment until it has been able to withstand the scrutiny of review by your peers (no one is without peer, Arthur ).

Again, in all goodwill and with respect, on-going, bitter antagonism is in not in the interests of ToE Quest...your choice.

[Graybeard]

Moondean

Moondean, the oldest man of the river tribe,
Too old for the council of elders,
Thin as the meanest desert myall,
Felt something happening within him

As he chipped at the throwing stick
Fixed between his old knees,
He watched the little rock lizards that gleamed and shone
Going over his feet sometimes,
Quick and cold as a drop of rain.
And he thought a long time about that.

As he worked the euro fat into the wood,
Rubbing fiercely till it came smooth
Like the black stones in the river,
Then pushed it into the hot ashes again
And rubbed ... and went on rubbing,
He remembered that the wood had once been a tree;
And he thought about the trees,
And made one name for them all,
One name which would be for one tree
Yet all of them together,
And he muttered it over and over to himself.

He thought about the throwing stick he was making
And who would hunt with it, and lose it, and where,
And where it would lie one day lost for ever,
And how long was for ever;
And he dreamed adventures about it whilst he was still awake.

He thought about the river,
Where it started, right down to where it ended,
Pouring into the great water that stretches away for ever;
He thought about it all day long,
Until the men came back from the hunting
And the dogs and women went out to meet them
With a dust and a hullalooing,
Which made him forget the word he had almost made for the river,
And a rage took fire within him over nothing at all.

Nobody knew why Moondean was always angry and short tempered.
Spat like a lizard when disturbed.

W. Hart-Smith

[austintorn@aol.com]

because of the absolute lack of any display of interest in my proposition

Incorrect.

Arthur, this is your 8th notice of the large 2-part post on where laws came from.

Should I post it in braille?

You cannot answer to the on-topic debate that I provided and referenced 7 times?

[SB_UK]

The law:
The labourious, protracted, judgmental and inaccurate appraisal of individuals is unwarranted...other than to repeatedly demonstrate your forte for intimidation, disparagement and the determined and relentless erosion of another's credibillity.

Great post.

The law is simply a poorly worded (overly complicated) set of rules to keep the rich
rich.

Hence 'contract law'.

Contract law -
so many words.

Empirical science (based on precedent) is about to be extended (felled) by the model (ToE).
Law (like empirical science) is based on precedent and will similarly be felled.

Only logical {intuitive, holistically logical} will be left, where holistically logical is the definition of properly moral.

The lawyer has no capacity to differentiate right from wrong - instead believing a description of recorded events from the past to represent constraints which must be placed on the present -

---however---

what of evolution?

Evolution would not be possible under the central premise of current legal systems.

Change which re-writes the rules (as occurs in the emergent event) would not be permitted by law -
- since 'something new' (particularly in this case) necessitates that the law be broken.

The law is a poor man-made construct which imprisons human beings -
- a set of rules which enforce low-life behaviour for a species ready to reach for the stars.

The lawyer is the true criminal in society -
the lawyer supports evil by clinging onto the past -
- where the tendency is towards change.

All Institutions which support any form of hierarchy will fall.

Most notably -
political, legal and financial Institutions -
with others gaining systemic redefinition -
religion for instance.

Teachers are not better than any other person -
- the role of the teacher is to help the student to surpass the teacher -
thereby ensuring that each subsequent (progressively better by definition) generation experiences 'better'.

Informed belief that this will be the case is the definition of faith -
- (an informed) faith in a better future for subsequent generations
iz' all.

[SB_UK]

The same scientific, technical and books on art are used by people worldwide -
regardless -

why then do we need to have multiple different economic, legal and political systems ?

all that results is more bankers, politicians and lawyers -
- commingled criminal$ -
so much money for so many for so little -

Imagine how silly it'd be if movies were only allowed to be shown in their country of origin?

One~World

academic discipline:
Systems r/Reality.

[SB_UK]

At gilded butterflies

love gives you wings.

O/O -duals- O/O

-on duality-

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