Does it take an intellectual to knock God??

[labelwench]

My, My, My, Arthur.

When you get around to sharing this insight, which you consider too onerous for those of us whom you deem of lesser ability than yourself, there likely will be few left around to comment on same.

Had you no intention of doing some work, then I would wonder that you started this thread.

He's all yours, greg.....

I am not sure Greg, if you, or if any one else, recognises that the existence or not of 'God' or the belief or the lack of belief in a God has absolutely no relevance to the proposition.

As I have already said:"I am not sure if there really is an appetite for, or if the members of this forum
have the time or the inclination to take on board unfamiliar concepts"

regards…arthur..

Of course there are other trains of thought not least of which is, can I be bothered to expend the time and effort countering misinterpretations of what I say due to a lack of objectivity, pseudo science, stupidity, immaturity and just lack of interest.
My regards…arthur

[melanie]

Intellectual knocking?

IT just means clever with words(lies)

The SEEN is not a word-idea in memory......deferred SEEN.

You cannot SEE an idea in Your brain.

You cannot SEE RE-call of memory.

IT is already GONE before i finish typing IT.

i can make up anything to type.

I cannot make up the SEEN.

SHE is SEEN

SHE is LOVE

[Mikal]

Hi Arthur....I find this thread to be most confusing because it is almost as though discussion here runs on start and stop gaps where pure discussion does not culminate into something that can be discussed and debated...

If you could explain this to me I would be deeply appreciative as it seems enough are interested in partaking of discussion here....



Mikal

[Graybeard]

Hello Labelwench

"The question of god(s), excepting this one is unaddressed."

I don't understand what the above means.
The reason for pointing out that I am a non Christian was to circumvent accusations of such as evangelism or of proselytising.

Hi Arthur ... Wouldn't it be simpler to say that for the purposes of this debate, personal beliefs not only 'do not apply' but also 'do not need to be divulged' ?

And additionally, wouldn't it also be more honest ? ... By saying your a non-christian is the same as saying your a christian ... your just hoisting a flag of a different colour within the domain. At the least it causes confusion ?

I am not sure Greg, if you, or if any one else, recognises that the existence or not of 'God' or the belief or the lack of belief in a God has absolutely no relevance to the proposition.

Then why did you say your a non-christian ??

Where do you stand ??

Alternatively, if you don't wish to answer the above, then just state clearly "the answer has no relevance to the thread"??

This is whats causing the confusion

greg

[arthur]

My, My, My, Arthur.

When you get around to sharing this insight, which you consider too onerous for those of us whom you deem of lesser ability than yourself, there likely will be few left around to comment on same.

Had you no intention of doing some work, then I would wonder that you started this thread.

He's all yours, greg.....

WOW!, what a surprise

Lablewench, initially I had no intention replying to your illogical response to my "genuine" and respectful reply to your earlier post, then I thought of one of my reply's and questioned if your response fitted. i.e. (can I be bothered to expend the time and effort countering misinterpretations of what I say due to a lack of objectivity, pseudo science, stupidity, immaturity and just lack of interest.) Then I thought that perhaps, I should be bothered, for who am I to determine the difference between, for example, an immature, un-objective, stupid, pseudo scientific response or an illogical emotional response and any other kind of response, therefore, perhaps I should treat them all with equal respect.

Lablewench, "When you get around to sharing this insight," How could you possibly make such a statement, I mean, what was the motive for you making it?? when it should be blatantly obvious that the reason for the thread and that from its inception, what you call an insight but what I call an 'observation' has been open for any one who wishes to make use of it. Is this not sharing?
which you consider too onerous Why on earth would you say such a thing when "As I have already said: "I am not sure if there really is an appetite for, or if the members of this forum have the time or the inclination to take on board unfamiliar concepts" i.e. I do not know whether it is or whether it is not too onerous.
"for those of us whom you deem of lesser ability than yourself," Again, why on earth etc, You say "us" By which I assume you claim to talk for other members of this forum (Which perhaps you do) Why would I compare any abilities that I think that I might have to the unknown abilities of people who I don’t know?????
"Had you no intention of doing some work, then I would wonder that you started this thread" Is this similar to the question 'Why did you cross the road if you were going to get run over'?

Now Lablewench. I have no idea for the reason for your, what I feel is an irrational and accusatory personal attack on some aspect of what you, rightly or wrongly perceive, of my personality but whatever the reasons you must have felt them necessary. But; from my stand point of being some one who never looses their temper, who has no axes to grind, who has no ego to defend, who is just a boring old fart who is watching the world being torn apart by people who do have those attributes they really were not necessary.

Finally Lablewench, With absolutely no hidden agenda I do have a question. Why didn’t you continue the dialogue that we had started through your first post to me?

again, genuinely, my regards arthur…

[labelwench]

Good day, Arthur, it being noon in the Yukon.

Having worked night shift for the past four years, I bear witness that playing with one's circadian rhythms plays havoc with the logic circuits. Conversely, I have also experienced some fascinating insights into many facets of life and human endeavour.

I have never seen a live badger, they not being native to these parts, but I can snare or shoot a rabbit, dress and cook it, and as I doubt that badgers be any tougher than wolverine, let's just say that I can manage that fellow too. So perhaps we'll just leave rabbits and badgers out of the equation.

Greg, Prof and others seem to think you have a discussion in the making, by the way I read their posts. I would suggest that by responding to only a few of the posters, you may not be getting as broad a participation as possible.


You have been thanked several times for your posting already. Some of your visitors have also made good points. When you are on-line, that little button at the bottom right of each posting can add a thanks, which lets people know that you have read their words, and /or have found interest in same.

Myself, I am the devils advocate, and I will thank both sides of a debate, so long as the posters are respectful and speak to the question.

As for handing you off to Greg, I do you an honour. He is one of the forum moderators, and has some skill at debate, as do many others at this forum, I must add. The two of you seem headed toward discussion anyway, and that was just a bit of private humour, between devil's advocates.

Perhaps I was overtired after shift yesterday, and if my playful manner was offensive, I shall refrain from such conduct.

A bold wench am I now, after my words just written, but, in truth, I believe more postings like # 21, and more excerpts from your book would provide this thread with impetus and direction for the dialogue you envision.

Regards,

Labelwench

[arthur]

Hi Arthur....I find this thread to be most confusing because it is almost as though discussion here runs on start and stop gaps where pure discussion does not culminate into something that can be discussed and debated...

If you could explain this to me I would be deeply appreciative as it seems enough are interested in partaking of discussion here....



Mikal

Hello mikal,
I also am not sure what is happening. I have no idea if or not the basic premises have been understood or accepted, so mikal get rid of any subjectivity, read from the beginning and see where it leads.

arthur…

[racecar]

**The meaning of Arfer From a great-granddaughter:
"Nok Nok" "hoo's there" "Arfer" "Arfer hoo" "Afer God sake stop talking and open the door"**




"THE LIPS OF WISDOM ARE CLOSED EXCEPT TO THE EARS OF UNDERSTANDING"

http://www.pymander.com/AETHEREAL/PRINC~1.htm ?

[Mikal]

Hello mikal,
I also am not sure what is happening. I have no idea if or not the basic premises have been understood or accepted, so mikal get rid of any subjectivity, read from the beginning and see where it leads.

arthur…

Hi Arthur...to begin with you say that you are unchristian so are you saying that you are religious and a Roman Catholic?? If I am being invasive here I would apologize in advance, however with such an influx of posting information it is really difficult to pinpoint the true subject matter of the thread...essentially what are we discussing here???


Mikal

[arthur]

Hi Arthur...to begin with you say that you are unchristian so are you saying that you are religious and a Roman Catholic?? If I am being invasive here I would apologize in advance, however with such an influx of posting information it is really difficult to pinpoint the true subject matter of the thread...essentially what are we discussing here???


Mikal

Hello Mikal, (and anyone else)
Your use of the word 'unchristian' did make me smile, I am sure that there will be many people 'out there' who might well agree, But what I did say was that "As a non-Christian I would like to point out the legacy from which you all benefit as the result of Un Christian Roman Catholicism.

"essentially what are we discussing here???"

Nothing, But what I think should be discussed is; That you Mikal (and any body else) as a person, every person who you know and every person who you have ever known and every person who you have ever seen, and, every person who you have ever heard of who lives in or has lived in a Sophisticated Civilised Society; AND, Everything that you or any of these people have ever done, thought of, wanted or owned has been or is directly or indirectly the product of the tenets of Christianity and the Judaic ten Commandments. It is because of this that, Sophisticated Civilised Society exists. It is because of this that you or anyone else has the freedom, if they or you so wish, to undermine or destroy that which allows Civilised Society to exist. I think that after re-reading my first post and the ones to Greg it might all make sense.

arthur….