Does it take an intellectual to knock God??

[sillysally]

So anyway, back to the discussion, the reason why it takes an intellectual to knock god is this.

I think trying to convince someone with a non belief (mentally disabled people) knocks god because they (the intellectuals) think they know better than god. Therefore contradicting gods creation and putting themselves above god and knocking god by trying to change what god supposedly made, mentally disabled people. In this sense everyone that says they believe in god = nobody that believes in god at heart.

Making everyone a non believer and those that discuss god are just waisting their time PERIOD

[Meem]

Hmmm, I don't believe in my heart as much as I believe in God's. I don't think it's that complicated, even an intellectual could understand that. "From the mouth of babes?" And to be clear what I am getting at, you sound like you're trying to be intellectual about the subject, so what are you really saying? =)

[sillysally]

So anyway, back to the discussion, the reason why it takes an intellectual to knock god is this.

I think trying to convince someone with a non belief (mentally disabled people) knocks god because they (the intellectuals) think they know better than god. Therefore contradicting gods creation and putting themselves above god and knocking god by trying to change what god supposedly made, mentally disabled people. In this sense everyone that says they believe in god = nobody that believes in god at heart.

Making everyone a non believer and those that discuss god are just waisting their time PERIOD

And that's why god must be knocked, thanks all you smarty pants!

[arthur]

[QUOTE=Meem;94579]I can't prove how god is let alone how I am, I just know I am and whatever god is, god is. Did my parents "make" me ... I don't remember it, do you? What is life, a miracle. I do get amazed how some people don't see that, I suppose it's easy to do if you focus on the negative, you've got to accentuate the positive.


Well Meem if that is not magic I don’t know what is. At the moment I am replacing my record collection with CD's and today received through the post the 10 CD box set of Artie Shaw, which includes the wonderful 'concerto for clarinet in c'. Anyway, I put on a disc and came to my PC and clicked on to your post to Sally and what came out of my new CD players speakers synchronistically with my reading of the words "You've got to accentuate the positive -- Eliminate the negative" How did you organise that??


arthur…

[Meem]

I didn't. Maybe you did, maybe "he" did. "It's a small world after all."

And if it's of any consideration. I would consider "air-books" or whatever the name is for the mass storage devices which are essentially hard-drives, if you're not too against itunes or similar formats. Seems to be less wasteful in my opinion ... but who knows, does it really matter?

[sillysally]

That's called coversion, or something like that, not magic. Everymansmedium can explain it better. It's like a constant coincidence, at first overwhelming because it happens so often then it's just a natural part of life after experiencing it for years. I don't even think about it anymore, I just accept it as natural, not magic.

I have ENCORE! Great Stars, Great Performances all in record form. I inherited it along with some Elvis records in the basement of my new home. I like opera but the console record player isn't putting out any sound so I have listen to what I have on you tube. But that's no correlation to what u 2 just experienced.

[sillysally]

[QUOTE=arthur;94623]

I can't prove how god is let alone how I am, I just know I am and whatever god is, god is. Did my parents "make" me ... I don't remember it, do you? What is life, a miracle. I do get amazed how some people don't see that, I suppose it's easy to do if you focus on the negative, you've got to accentuate the positive.


Well Meem if that is not magic I don’t know what is. At the moment I am replacing my record collection with CD's and today received through the post the 10 CD box set of Artie Shaw, which includes the wonderful 'concerto for clarinet in c'. Anyway, I put on a disc and came to my PC and clicked on to your post to Sally and what came out of my new CD players speakers synchronistically with my reading of the words "You've got to accentuate the positive -- Eliminate the negative" How did you organise that??


arthur…

Oh yes, I just saw. Racecar posted something about this in the measuring conciouness cd before you posted it. She posted a link that explained what you were about to experience 3 hours before you did.

[polarmedium]

Reminds me of precognition.
Creating and attracting what you need before you know you need it.

Arthur said: "I am a product of my perceptions of environment."
Is he right?
Min couldn't stop humming.
Is she right?
Or are they backwards?

[Meem]

50/50 a little of this, a little of that, 100% the other.

[arthur]

Hi, Arthur, your premise seems to based upon good vs evil.

Human societies have failed for one reason: our desires make us vulnerable. We are controlled by the self-interests of desire to survive (fear) and the desire for pleasure (happiness). Also, we fail to overcome the first in attaining the second.

Christianity (religion in general?) brought an understanding that certain failures bore dire consequences (evil), which was a timely reminder, before our population numbers exploded. In a rapidly shrinking world, no one is exempt from those consequences...hence, today, the increasing need to repress desire inspired by self-interest.

Despite all our progress, my opinion is that to date, in every respect, we have failed to learn how to overcome self-interest based upon fear and can no longer ignore the conseqences...

Hello Lesky, thank you for the sensible post,
Although your statements and assumptions, on the face of it, may seem simple enough to some I am not sure what they actually mean. Although I can glean, I think, an idea of what is meant but to be honest I don’t really understand.

My original question, "Does it take etc," I have answered in my last post. It would have been interesting and maybe have been helpful if the thread had not been so embarrassingly and illogically attacked to have received some rational feedback, but alas it didn't happen.

On the assumption that you (and any one else) will treat me with the normal civility and respect that should be expected by any 'not screwed up, non emotional' non argumentative person who has made the effort to attempt to engender in people an interest in something which I consider and recognise as being intellectually very important and profound for the understanding of humanity, namely, that "Christianity" is responsible for this sophisticated civilised society that you and I live etc, etc, please read my original post.

To understand any of my original propositions (or indeed to understand anything) they need to be considered academically, intellectually, objectively, unemotionally and unless one already knows all of the answers it will require time (which most people are not willing to spare) interest (which either does or doesn’t spontaneously appear) and of course that magic quality of intellectual integrity (which is partially being aware of how little one could possibly know out of the almost infinite number of things that could possibly be known and also to be aware of and to understand how little time you have actually spent on really and genuinely studying and trying to understand the essence the dynamics the economics the logic etc of any particular aspect or subject)

As I have stated elsewhere I am not a Christian and therefore do not recognise things to be "good" or "evil although I do subjectively recognise the difference between things that make me feel comfortable and uncomfortable, But, to discuss things of an academic or of an intellectual nature using my fluctuating emotional sensations as the prime reference as to the accuracy of what I might say would be intellectual stupidity or even suicide. (although,for some people in the world of struggling to demonstrate their intellectual superiority as in the world of scientists and in forums such as this, even if it is only as a mean of assuaging their fears of being recognised as being intellectually inferior seems to have taken over any desire to learn by discussion (or even to just learn) hence the gratuitous rudeness and sarcasm that some feel is just a bit of fun)

So Lesky, The premise is simple, This sophisticated civilised society and Christianity are so intertwined as to be inseparable.

(paraphrased from an earlier post) You Lesky and every other person being a product of their perception of their environment, Or, to be more precise, for the non intellectual, You Lesky (and 'almost' everybody else) as an individual, as a person, your personality, your shape, your health, your interests, your capabilities and a great deal more are 'almost' solely the result of how you physically responded in the past to your perceptions of your environment from birth. And, at some point in your development any response you did effect would be influenced by your inherent undefined predisposition to abide by the rules which have evolved from the tenets of Christianity and the Ten Commandments. It is these rules that that you used as bench marks to give you your ethics and you principles.
But for the non intellectual who has read my proposition I will offer the following. "You, me and every single person who we know and every person who we have ever known and every person who we have ever met and every person who we have ever seen, and, every person who we have ever heard of and every person who lives or has lived in a Sophisticated Civilised Society; AND, Everything that you or I and any of these other people have ever done, ever thought, ever wanted or ever owned as well as every judgement and decision that you, I or they have ever made has been or is directly or indirectly influenced by or is the product of the tenets of Christianity and the Judaic ten Commandments irrespective whether you, I or they are conscious of the fact. It is because of these tenets that, Sophisticated Civilised Society exists. It is because of them that you or anyone else, whether you or they are clever of thick, intellectual or not, has the freedom, if they or you so wish, to attempt to or to undermine or try to destroy that which allows Civilised Society to exist and which is an integral part of us all.


Just a little PS. Did you notice a little misspelling in your post? Was it intentional?

arthur…