Does it take an intellectual to knock God??

[arthur]

As a non Christian I would like to point out the legacy from which you all benefit as the result of Un Christian Roman Catholicism .

For something like 1500 years Roman Catholicism had dominated, controlled or influenced the European centres of power which came out of the unification of the hundreds of squabbling, and fighting principalities. It maintained an element of order (believe it or not) in Europe. As time passed the part of Roman Catholicism's doctrine which included the history of the Jews, namely the Ten Commandments which were, over time, eventually adopted and incorporated into the Laws of most of the countries of Europe.
Gradually, partly due to England's break from Rome and Martin Luther in Germany's Protestantism and with the gradual sophistication of societies the basis of the Ten Commandments becoming an essential element in the Law's of the land prevailed and which became the essence of 'The Law' and accepted by the proletariat i.e. you and I as the norm. It is the laws emanating from Moses' stone tablets via The Un Christian Roman Catholicism and the Christian concepts of Protestantism which has influenced you and I to be what we are. It is having grown up within the security and the protection of the Law, it is this laws which allows you and I freedom the say what we want and to do what we want, it is these laws which has influenced us to expect from our neighbours that which we would offer. It is these laws which has given us the concept of right and wrong. I could go on and on and on but I am sure that you intellectuals can extrapolate for yourselves that you are what you are as the result of so many beautiful honest people accepting and believing in the concept that there is an all loving almighty god who looks over us and who will ultimately protect us.

We are all products of our perceptions of our environments


God, if there is one, be with you's. arthur

[Graybeard]

Hi Arthur .... tell me more.

cool bananas ... greg

[Mikal]

Hi Arthur...I love your phrase "centers of power" and I have spent the last 26 years studying and understanding the nature of those centers of power. They are kind of like the reality of hidden forces like the thoughts, feelings and idealistic imaginings of those involved in a power center who become the roots and foundation upon which everything is actually built. I like understanding this because whoever has the power of your sense of faith has power over your life.
Understading centers of power helps me to realize just how things work here on planet earth and I like knowing these centers of power as it helps me to justify that I do not need them in order to be here.

Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

“Honor thy father and thy mother” is a meme for children to imitate their parents, including their religious beliefs.

“I am the Lord they God. Thou shalt have no false gods before me” supremely realizes the competition-suppressing advantage of spreading memes within one’s particular faith and protecting one’s faith memes against another faith’s memes.

The Church reinforced this with its campaigns of terror and death.

Do such, “copy me” and happiness and success will be abundant; if not, misery and failure will be one’s fate. Break the rules and you will burn in Hell forever.

As for morals and the concepts of good and evil, these predated God.

[Unreal Zelta]

Hegel -> perfected sinfulness.

regards

Zelta

[arthur]

“Honor thy father and thy mother” is a meme for children to imitate their parents, including their religious beliefs.

“I am the Lord they God. Thou shalt have no false gods before me” supremely realizes the competition-suppressing advantage of spreading memes within one’s particular faith and protecting one’s faith memes against another faith’s memes.

The Church reinforced this with its campaigns of terror and death.

Do such, “copy me” and happiness and success will be abundant; if not, misery and failure will be one’s fate. Break the rules and you will burn in Hell forever.

As for morals and the concepts of good and evil, these predated God.

Hello Austin.
The answer to the question of being an intellectual to knock God, as you have shown, is obviously no--But then--perhaps you might not be knocking God but knocking your manifest lack of understanding of what the concept of God represents and has represented to the human psyche, including your own, as can be shown by your meaningless use of the word 'meme/s' --But then again--perhaps you are just not an intellectual for if you were you would surely recognise that before the acceptance of the Judaic God became the prime meme of early Man there could not have been any moral values--But then again, again--perhaps you just want to join the pseudo scientific knock God band wagon as a means of venting some anxiety or other in your life. What ever the reason you feel that you should knock God, religion or peoples' faiths I respectfully suggest that you consider your vast understanding of life, your obvious superior intellectual prowess to that of the billions of people including the mature academics, scientists-theoretical and applied, who are dependent upon a God and question, will your display of ignorance and bigotry come back and bite you some day?

arthur..

[racecar]

Why did you choose to reply to Austin? Why not Graybeard or Mikal? Are yer lookin' fer a fight?

Peace be with you, Arthur.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Wrong, arthur.

Futhermore, we don't knock people's character on ToeQuest, as it is against the rules.

Any more, signifying a trend, and you will probably get reported.

Your post demonstrates how a 'concept of good' can label and pursue the contrary as 'evil'.

[arthur]

Hi Arthur .... tell me more.

cool bananas ... greg

Hi Greg,

There is really very little more to tell other that historical details, the kind of details which any one who claims to understand or implies an understanding of the subject, if they possess intellectual integrity, should have. Of course, if such a person were to make judgements about religion and the judgements were based upon morality, the intellectual will readily recognise that which the judgments are based on are determined by that which is being judged, which would create a paradox which in turn would show an objective observer the level of stupidity, ignorance, bigotry or lack of integrity of the person making the judgement. And again, of course if it is stupidity or ignorance and one is of a forgiving nature one might just put it down to naivety. But if it is display of bigotry or lack of integrity why should any thing that they profess be considered in any other light than hypocrisy?

If an intellectual intends to make public their judgements concerning a subject it seems to me to make intellectual sense to have an understanding of it. For example, with Religion, it should be recognised that the Evolution of Mankind, both physical and psychological, and Religion the are so intertwined as to be inseparable.
What should also be recognised is the role and impact that the Judaic/"Christian" religion has had in allowing and maintaining virtually every aspect of the luxuries and freedoms that we enjoy through living in a sophisticated civilised society. Once the "religious" impact on every thing from Global Economics to the personal and emotional expectations of being able to live in peace and freedom are recognised and understood it will axiomatically be understood that, not only the personal dangers but, the dangers to society as a whole of attempting intentionally or unintentionally to subvert or undermine and destroy that which created and maintains it.

arthur..

[racecar]

I don't know how to answer your question...very few people attempted. That doesn't mean that I don't have some idea or string of thoughts on the subject. Who doesn't use thought and reason?

On a side, perhaps irrelevant...life isn't divided into subjects, Math is everything and everywhere, but I don't often see it. The symbols are like a foreign language to me and I don't understand the terminology. If math is everything and everywhere then I'm living it, not just observing it...

check these out and see some thought and reason.

http://www.physics.sfsu.edu/~lwillia...th/SAP_FAP.htm

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/may...e-space-cosmos

P.S.
knock knock....
who's there...
God...
God who?