Intelligent Design

[jag]

If there is a selfinvolved intelligence that has designed the evolution of everything we can be aware of, then the only randomness would the extent to which we are able to fulfill its desire for selfobservation. And our limited affect on the evolution of planet earth.

There may be other beings that have evolved beyond our level of consciousness and are actually assisting in our evolution. It doesn't seem likely that it could be just us and some omnipotent god.

"I suppose you could never prove to the mind of the most ingenious mollusk that such a creature as a whale could exist" --emerson

jag

[austintorn@aol.com]

Some of these beings tag along to help us and they are in/of the actual atoms themselves.

[Mikal]

"There may be other beings that have evolved beyond our level of consciousness and are actually assisting in our evolution"......JAG

Hi Jag....I discovered through my life that one has to transcend to a supersensible state to experience these other beings....Most of my life study and research has involved searching all thought systems to understand who and what these other beings are and why they are evolved beyond our level of consciousness....seeing I am not alone in the experience of other higher dimensional beings it has always been consolation to me that all together we more or less prove the existence of these interdimensional beings....

I know grasping understanding is complex because how do we understand dimensionality versus they are not in outer space but inner space....


Mikal

[Wick]

I have a basic aversion to the concept that beings in higher dimensions are somehow more evolved than we are. Who is to say that we ourselves are not higher dimensional beings caught in lower dimensional existence. Furthermore, perhaps we chose to enter this lower dimensional existence so as to experience things that were not possible for us to experience where we came from.

I guess what I'm saying is that they and we are the same thing. We lived before we were born and prepared ourselves to come here. Perhaps we assisted those who were here already. Then we came to this earthly existence ourselves hoping that we would be helped as we had helped. After we pass back into a higher dimension, we turn our attention back to our children and grandchildren.

This is not a case of evolution. It is simply a case of continued development and progression.

[jag]

Thank you austintorn

I can certainly use all the help I can get.

jag

[jag]

Thank you Mikal.

Your, who,what and why are good questions. Maybe it's as simple as,"that's the design." Maybe some beings were designed to move between realms of evolving beings to help in the "continued development and progression" of these beings.

The real problem we have in understanding space on the material level is due to the fact that, while material bodies exist in space, space also exists in these same material bodies.

It may help to an understanding of space relationships if you would conjecture that, relatively speaking, space is after all a property of all material bodies. Hence, when a body moves through space, it also takes all its properties with it, even the space which is in and of such a moving body.

jag

[jag]

Thank you Wick.

I have no aversion to the concept that many of us may have come from a higher place to experience this life here on earth, with no ability to communicate with their prior life. There may even be some who can move back and forth between realms without experiencing birth and death. But at the same time, for most of us, this is the first time. This planet is the birth place of souls. I don't know which of these catagories I fall into. Sometimes I think that I have lived lives befor this one. Other times I think that my soul was born when this body was born. But I always believe that I have the potential to survive this life and gather more experiences into the collective that is me, after death.

"If in the twilight of memory we should meet once more, we shall speak again together and you shall sing to me a deeper song.

And if our hands should meet in another dream we shall build another tower in the sky." gibran

jag

[mkirkpatrick]

All natural design is intelligent,how could it possibly be anything else!Consciousness is
evident in all design,and when we are still enough within ourselves,it inpinges itself upon
our minds.




regards michael.

[jag]

When we enter the mind domain, we encounter many puzzles. Does the pattern -the reality- of an idea or design occupy space? I'm sure that an idea pattern does not contain space.

jag

[jag]

Does the pattern -the reality- of an idea or design occupy space? I'm sure that an idea pattern does not contain space.

jag

Even though a thought does not contain space it can, under the right circumstances, attain mass.

jag