Truth is Timeless

[austintorn@aol.com]

The deeper reality is changeless and as steady as a rock

I thought you believed that all was nothing.

Yes, the deeper reality is the mindless quantum level and while it is an unsteady jitterbugging chaos, the particles it emits remain and combine as the steady real, some of them forming rocks.

[jag]

Science has observation and testing.

That is just another distinction.

Do you not think the Buddist can find truth through meditation?
Or the Christian through faith?

jag

[austintorn@aol.com]

No and no.

So many so-called sure-thing truths were found in hundreds of different ways that contradicted each other.

Now, you know darn well that the real truth is that you will reincarnate and hopefully end up on a planet with Krishna one day, one of the many gods, unless you unfortunately regress back to a microbe.

Oh! Those beliefs are too weird? Well, that could also be what they think of your beliefs.

[melanie]

I thought you believed that all was nothing.

'i' don't believe in anything.

All there is is ''Perception'' which is limitless.

Within the dream of separation, 'my perception' is that all is nothing.

Why, because 'i' came from nothing and 'i' will return to nothing.

= ? = no-beliefs = zero absolute nothingness bliss here and now.

JUST LIKE A DREAM I HAD LAST NIGHT.

Yes, the deeper reality is the mindless quantum level and while it is an unsteady jitterbugging chaos,
the particles it emits remain and combine as the steady real, some of them forming rocks.

100% agreed.

Except in 'my perception' the 'chaos bit' is all in the mind.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Mel, you said that you believe in something that is as hard as a rock. This is not nothing.

[melanie]

Mel, you said that you believe in something that is as hard as a rock. This is not nothing.

It is no-thing, until the 'mind' say's it is, otherwise it doesn't exist.
I'm talking about the unchanging rock steadiness of awareness...which radiates and creates pictures of reality spontaneously, it does not discriminate.
It is the mind that discriminates, when the mind comes into being it creates distinctions of opposites.
During sleep the mind is in abeyance and it takes no notice of creation/creations.
The mind is a form of consciousness, and
consciousness is an aspect of life creations,
creations are temporal, but the real is beyond all apparent 'creations'
it is the eternal 'rock steady' absolute pure awareness.
I AM that and you are too.

[melanie]

Oh! Those beliefs are too weird?

Life is in a perpetual state of 'not knowing' or pure being.
In reality we don't need to believe in anything, we don't need to know, because we are the known,
we are the already known, which itself cannot know.
Does a cat know that it lives in a 'HOUSE' with it's carer? No, it's just living in the house.

If we are the known, then what else is there to believe in?
What else is there to do?
What else is there to say?

Where there is ''belief'' there is attachment which is the cause and effect of all human suffering.
Humans are slaves to beliefs, where there aren't any.

[austintorn@aol.com]

which radiates and creates pictures of reality spontaneously, it does not discriminate.

What is the mechanism behind this 3D-movie maker machine? And who writes the script? And why? Is it just a random cosmic joke soap opera?

[melanie]

which radiates and creates pictures of reality spontaneously, it does not discriminate.

What is the mechanism behind this 3D-movie maker machine? And who writes the script? And why? Is it just a random cosmic joke soap opera?

The only joke is on the human brain/mind/body organism which believes it is a separate 'real' deal.

Austin,
You cannot know the knower, for you are the knower.
The fact of knowing proves the knower.
You need no other proof.
The knower of the
known is not knowable.
Just like the light is known in colors only, so is the knower known in knowledge.

Reality is being born ever new, ever fresh, ever changing in every instant.
Every new aspect of reality is Known instantly in the instant it arises one with the knowing.
There is only one being here.

Just like our nightly dreams coming and going within this unchanging field of awareness.

The writer, is the imagination, this is limitless and full of infinite potential.[Thinking Pictures]
THIS can be anything it want's to be.

It can be sad happy rich or poor, it can create war or peace.
It has the will to do that and that will is always ''FREE'' to be.

What ever happens, it will always add up to ZERO..just like a dream.

Only difference is this dream is real, so best make it the best dream you've ever had.
Makes sense to me.
I'm making the best of 'my' dream -are you?

[melanie]

What is the mechanism behind this 3D-movie maker machine? And who writes the script? And why?

Source ... prio-pre-conceptive (SEEing) ... the immediate REcognition (Intuition) ... STOP < < < That's all we know.


The surround is godheavencreation.. the source of consciousness.
It is only separated.. blocked..
by the movement of misery-self, the I-thought, ego, memory--that won't let go.


Hold Your hand up and look at it.

You can't separate it from the surround.

just look--just let go.

YOU don't know what is seen-- YOU are the seen.
All there is is SEEing PERception.


mel.