Truth is Timeless

[jag]

No and no.

So many so-called sure-thing truths were found in hundreds of different ways that contradicted each other.

Now, you know darn well that the real truth is that you will reincarnate and hopefully end up on a planet with Krishna one day, one of the many gods, unless you unfortunately regress back to a microbe.

Oh! Those beliefs are too weird? Well, that could also be what they think of your beliefs.

So you think Scientism is the only way to come to an understanding of truth.
"I am the way the truth and the light-no one can unto the father except by me." sound familiar? What's the difference? It is, as Melaine said, only superficial.

I am a heretic and don't belong to any "ism" but I do see, at least, glimmers of truth in most of them. Scientism is one of my favorites. It's truth shines almost as bright as christianity IMHO. Christianity has its problems with confussion in the minds of most who follow or teach it obscuring the truth but so does Scientism i.e. the big bang confussion

My belief is that people should look for truth where they can find it. If you can only find truth in Scientism that is why it exists. For you and all the other true scientists.

"Birds of a feather flock together"

jag

[austintorn@aol.com]

Scientism is one of my favorites.

Then it would seem that we totally agree.

[jag]

I]S[cientism is one of my favorites.
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Then it would seem that we totally agree.

I guess that could be one perception. Maybe "totally is a little strong but what's the difference anyway? We both love science and that's good enough.

jag

[melanie]

The only joke is on the human brain/mind/body organism which believes it is a separate 'real' deal.

Reality is being born ever new, ever fresh, ever changing in every instant.
Every new aspect of reality is Known instantly in the instant it arises one with the knowing.
There is only one presence here.

An Eternal Presence in which nothing ever happened.

Time will erase every trace.

I am a raindrop in a hurricane

that is about to come

Do not tell me your secrets

because I won’t tell you mine



I am a wave in the ocean

that instantly makes up her mind

You think you can control me

watch me turn your ship upside down



I am the spark in the fire

burning a forest someplace else

Do not try to remember me forever

time will erase my every trace

~Katrina Feuerwald

[MJA]

Truth is measureless.

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MJA

[jag]

'i' don't believe in anything.

All there is is ''Perception'' which is limitless.

Within the dream of separation, 'my perception' is that all is nothing.

Why, because 'i' came from nothing and 'i' will return to nothing.

= ? = no-beliefs = zero absolute nothingness bliss here and now.

JUST LIKE A DREAM I HAD LAST NIGHT.









100% agreed.

Except in 'my perception' the 'chaos bit' is all in the mind.

I dream I am on a quest for truth, the beauty of Timeless Truth, and the more I find the more beautiful it becomes, the more love I see in it. But as long as I am in this life I cannot completely pierce the veil and become one with the truth. Perhaps when I die my perceptions of my quest will disappear back to nothing or perhaps my dream will be perserved in the heart of truth and I will become timeless in love. With music playin'.

If it's just a dream I might as well dream big.

Light=Truth=Love

jag

[austintorn@aol.com]

The timeless truth is what is has to be—the formless, lawless disorder of the quantum level, as the causeless can have no causes, no design. That beautiful truth is no idle thought experiment, such a a perfect order, for we observe it to be so.

Love comes later, after simplicity begets the complexity that is us.

[jag]

[QUOTE=melanie;92117].
There is only one being here.

The presence is the timeless truth.

There is only one here and there is only one now
but I believe in the possibility that our dreams can
become real and be a presence in the timeless truth.

jag

[jag]

The timeless truth is what is has to be—the formless, lawless disorder of the quantum level, as the causeless can have no causes, no design. That beautiful truth is no idle thought experiment, such a a perfect order, for we observe it to be so.

Love comes later, after simplicity begets the complexity that is us.

The timeless truth can say "I remember how it was back then."
Because time is part of truth.

The cause of our existence is the simplicity that will bring
perfect order to the quantum level.

jag

[melanie]

I dream I am on a quest for truth, the beauty of Timeless Truth, and the more I find the more beautiful it becomes, the more love I see in it.

But as long as I am in this life I cannot completely pierce the veil and become one with the truth.

Why not? Of course you can.
The veil is an illusion.
Duality is an illusion.
You already are the timeless truth here now as eternal life.


''Allow the source of being to maintain contact with you
ignore the impressions and opinions of your customary self.
If this self were of value in your life search,
it would have found realization for you.
but all it can do is to depend upon others.''

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JAG:
The presence is the timeless truth.

There is only one here and there is only one now
but I believe in the possibility that our dreams can
become real and be a presence in the timeless truth.

The dream is real Jag.

But you are the dreamed character of the one dreamer.
The dreamer and it's dreams are One- when the dreamer wakes-up in the dream as and through the characters or (appearances)
THAT is known as being lucid in it's own dream.
'we' are relative consciousness co-creating re-creating even more dreams within the same one self absolute awareness.
Like dreams within dreams, worlds within worlds.
It's all one interconnected phenomena.

Duality is the sense and perception of one's universe as other than oneself, the seperative "you and I" concept.
It defines the world that we realize.
Duality is an illusion of the senses, an illusion perceived by units of human and animal consciousness levels.

The absolute state knows only oneness.
It is that which transcends the state of duality to be aware solely of the oneness of the universe, or "the Void"
and of the emptiness of form of any inherent, independent existence.

Perhaps when I die my perceptions of my quest will disappear back to nothing or perhaps my dream will be perserved in the heart of truth and I will become timeless in love. With music playin'.

You don't have to wait until you die to die.
You can die here and now, to the illusory separate self,
and be the timeless absolute presence that you have always been.
This is it right now-There is no other presence.
You have always been here right now, you have not arrived or departed from this, it only appears that way.
For example, you were not aware of your birth, nor will you be aware of the moment of your death.
You only know of birth and death - as concepts and ideas.
These ideas have no independent existence.


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The Absolute

No mind, no form, I only exist;
Now ceased all will and thought;
The final end of Nature's dance,
I am it whom I have sought.

A realm of Bliss bare, ultimate;
Beyond both knower and known;
A rest immense I enjoy at last;
I face the One alone.

I have crossed the secret ways of life,
I have become the Goal.
The Truth immutable is revealed;
I am the way, the God Soul.

My spirit aware of all the heights,
I am mute in the core of the Sun.
I barter nothing with time and deeds;
My cosmic play is done.


~ Sri Chinmoy ~