Truth is Timeless

[melanie]

Truth is measureless.

=
MJA

Truth.

Experiencing experience itself in infinite unique ways
using different instruments to play the same music,
but the tone of equality is One

The instruments interpret the music translating it within its own.

[melanie]

Charles Darwin used to say that whenever he ran into something that contradicted a conclusion he cherished,
he was obliged to write the new finding down within thirty minutes.

Otherwise his mind would work to reject the discordant information, much as the body rejects transplants.

Man's natural inclination is to cling to his beliefs, particularly if they are reinforced by recent experience….


~ Warren Buffett


ALL IS DREAMSCAPE.

neti neti

not this not that

both

and yet neither


AMEN

[melanie]

The dreamer is the Absolute All knowing Ominpotent Omniscience Omnipresence Creator which is Awareness HereNOW
ONE with the knowing.

How did the Creator get to be?

Separation is reality... until it isn't - then it is seen that it never was.

Reality seems to be viewed from two different positions after awakening.

From the Whole.

And from the small separate me.

Both are equally as valid -and both are totally invalid.

After all -what's left when all interpretation is dropped?

Just One Big Whole Mystery.

[melanie]

When senses become "a sense" and emotions become "an emotion" one experiences their Spirit and their Soul.

Senses/Emotions become, as and through You.
But they are not you.


sensations/emotions are expressed AS YOU-- You are not the sensations/emotions.

You are the EXPERIENCING of sensations/emotions.

There is no-one to experience spirit and soul.

For that would require an experiencer.

There is only experiencing --- for no-one

Just like a dream.

Reality is real, you are not just a dream! If you drop a big piece of steel on your foot are you going to know you did that?
Trust me, you will not dream that away!!

The dream is real, 'apparently' as sensation sensed.

But for who and what?

All there is is conscious sensation.

Similarly, there is sensation/emotion felt in a nightly dream also.

[jag]

Logic?
Haven't we gone over that before Jags?
Once before you helped define logic, remember?
And now you ask for differences?
Perhaps you should restudy your own work,
= truly works for me.

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MJA

I don't want to rehash the meaning of logic
or any other distinction between factions of
truth seekers. you say = truly works for you.
That is exactly the point I am trying to make--there is
no difference between Theism and Scientism. Just
groups of people lookin' for the truth. That's all.
It seems that truth has been fractured into many pieces
and each of these groups has latched onto one of these
pieces and is trying to see the whole truth in there
little piece. Not going to happen.

What can seal the breach? Maybe a coming together
of the Heart and the Mind.

Theism can use a little logic.
It's going to take some logic to understand that God
is something that is unknowable from where we are.
Trust in his son and -relax-.

Scientism can use a little faith and heart (courage)
It's going to take a leap of faith to solve the quantum

jag

[jag]

Truth.



The instruments interpret the music translating it within its own.

"It's all comin' down in ah Harmoneeeeeeee" Taj Mahal

jag

[austintorn@aol.com]

As for the purpose of life and everything, there's none; it all came from chaos.

As for living life, as it is, well, that's a different question. To know the answer one must live it fully.

[Mikal]

Senses/Emotions become, as and through You.
But they are not you.


sensations/emotions are expressed AS YOU-- You are not the sensations/emotions.

You are the EXPERIENCING of sensations/emotions.

There is no-one to experience spirit and soul.

For that would require an experiencer.

There is only experiencing --- for no-one

Just like a dream.




The dream is real, 'apparently' as sensation sensed.

But for who and what?

All there is is conscious sensation.

Similarly, there is sensation/emotion felt in a nightly dream also.

Hi Mel....although I appreciate that this is your way of thinking, I myself have never been able to align with this kind of thought.
Throughout my life I experienced knowledge of my spirit and soul, you may say there is nobody to have that experience but my experience would say that your statement is fallacious....
My experience is my truth!!!


Mikal

[Unreal Zelta]

I do think that for the benefit of this forum and perhaps our world, that we do not purchase one way tickets to relativism city, especially without a map.

regards

Zelta

[jag]

I do think that for the benefit of this forum and perhaps our world, that we do not purchase one way tickets to relativism city, especially without a map.

regards

Zelta

Unfotunately our tickets got punched a long time ago.
We all live in realms of relativism based on pieces of
the fractured timeless truth. The trick now is to chart
a course to bring it all back together again.

jag