Truth is Timeless

[MJA]

My experience is my truth!!!

Mikal

I agree,
So to return to the point of this thread Mikal, what time was it when you experienced your truth?
Or is your truth as timeless as my own?

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MJA

[MJA]

I do think that for the benefit of this forum and perhaps our world, that we do not purchase one way tickets to relativism city, especially without a map.

regards

Zelta

I've got a map to absolute, where relativity is only relative and truth is. It is the Way to go.

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MJA

[MJA]

I don't want to rehash the meaning of logic
or any other distinction between factions of
truth seekers. you say = truly works for you.
That is exactly the point I am trying to make--there is
no difference between Theism and Scientism. Just
groups of people lookin' for the truth. That's all.
It seems that truth has been fractured into many pieces
and each of these groups has latched onto one of these
pieces and is trying to see the whole truth in there
little piece. Not going to happen.

What can seal the breach? Maybe a coming together
of the Heart and the Mind.

Theism can use a little logic.
It's going to take some logic to understand that God
is something that is unknowable from where we are.
Trust in his son and -relax-.

Scientism can use a little faith and heart (courage)
It's going to take a leap of faith to solve the quantum

jag

Logic: If A equals B then equal can unite us all.

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MJA

[Unreal Zelta]

Unfotunately our tickets got punched a long time ago.
We all live in realms of relativism based on pieces of
the fractured timeless truth. The trick now is to chart
a course to bring it all back together again.

The fact that they were one way tickets prevent us from returning. Many of us are hypnotised by the incentives of the environment, to the extent that they no longer can or willing to find ticket counters.

The problem is not with relativism and the like, it is our inability to switch or adapt conditionally. If we only follow one path, regardless of its nature, it would eventually become an absolute even if such path is relativism. I sense hypocracy.

regards

Zelta

[jag]

The fact that they were one way tickets prevent us from returning. Many of us are hypnotised by the incentives of the environment, to the extent that they no longer can or willing to find ticket counters.

The problem is not with relativism and the like, it is our inability to switch or adapt conditionally. If we only follow one path, regardless of its nature, it would eventually become an absolute even if such path is relativism. I sense hypocracy

regards

Zelta

Timeless truth contains all paths and
all paths contain some measure of timeless truth.

I don't think we should all follow one path, rather
we should realize that all of our paths are leading us
to the same place.

If we have more respect for each others angle of
approach to thruth we might create a truth vortex
and arrive home sooner.

jag

[jag]

Logic: If A equals B then equal can unite us all.

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MJA

Amen

jag

[Unreal Zelta]

Logic: If A equals B then equal can unite us all.

What if A does not equal B? Then I assume A and B are still equal in or to themselves?

regards

Zelta

[labelwench]

What if A does not equal B? Then I assume A and B are still equal in or to themselves?

regards

Zelta

"You take the high road, and I'll take the low road, and I'll be in Scotland afore ye,....."

The thought being, that while one path is different from the other, perhaps more arduous or fraught with greater peril, both roads will come to the same destination.

And the journeyers shall have marvellously different tales to share and compare, which will influence the path taken by those who will follow.....

Regards,
Labelwench

[jag]

"You take the high road, and I'll take the low road, and I'll be in Scotland afore ye,....."

The thought being, that while one path is different from the other, perhaps more arduous or fraught with greater peril, both roads will come to the same destination.

And the journeyers shall have marvellously different tales to share and compare, which will influence the path taken by those who will follow.....

Regards,
Labelwench

All roads lead to Rome.

jag

[melanie]

Hi Mel....although I appreciate that this is your way of thinking, I myself have never been able to align with this kind of thought.

Throughout my life I experienced knowledge of my spirit and soul,
you may say there is nobody to have that experience but my experience would say that your statement is fallacious....
My experience is my truth!!!


Mikal

Hi Mikal.

I understand that you see my statement as fallacious.
The reason you say this is because you do not see my thoughts as your own.

I see no persons or things in my reality, all i see is the mind in which 'things' appear as concepts or ideas.

Feelings and the mind are not external for me, the world is not objective, it is entirely a projection of my psyche.

I understand Mikal that your experience is your 'intimate truth' for YOU .. and so it is, that cannot be altered in any way.

For me, spirit and soul are only ideas/concepts/inventions of the human mind.

I believe there is only an 'experiencing of sensation' i name these sensations 'the soul/spirit' but they are only inventions ideas that my mind creates.
My experience is that there is only one consciousness.


There is no reality in ideas.
The fact is that without me, neither the universe nor its cause could have come into being.

Before the world was, consciousness was.
In consciousness it comes into being, in consciousness it lasts and into pure consciousness it dissolves.
At the root of everything is the feeling "I am"
The state of mind "there is a world" is secondary,
for to be, I do not need the world, the world needs me.

The world comes into being only when you are born in a body. No body - no world.

All the universe of experience is born with the body and dies with the body,
it has its beginning and end in awareness, but awareness knows no beginning, nor end.

To be born means to create a world round yourself as the centre.

What changes has no reality.
Time and space are imagined, ways of thinking, modes of perception.
Only timeless reality is, and it is here and now = CONSCIOUSNESS.


In reality time and space exist in you- you do not exist in them.
The whole of it is (imagination).
Even space and time are imagined.
All existence is imaginary.

These are my experiences Mikal.

We cannot get beyond this immediate moment of the timeless NOW
We struggle to get past the (horizon) when in reality there isn't one.

If we can - then it IS still only mind stuff,(dreamscape) what else could it be?

How does personality come into being?
By identifying the present with the past and projecting it into the future.
All this is- is nothing but sensations sensed appearing within the timelessness of the ever present NOW.