Truth is Timeless

[melanie]

Hi Melanie,

It seems that consciousness must have rules that control its expressions of perception.

Everything we see in nature is vibrating in such perfect harmony. The one exception is human kind. Did something happen in our past that caused us to spin out of control? Did we eat some forbidden fruit? Was there some kind of rebellion in consciousness?

Our beautiful planet appears to be hanging in some balance between good and evil, survival and destruction, like some lost child waiting to be rescued.

jag

Hi jag

All i can say to you right now is let ''your conscience'' be your guide.

Allow the universal will to flow through you and as you.
-- then all will be well.
As the universal law is constant. It is already set in stone.(manifested)

-the mind(relative consciousness) can garble, translate, distort, interpret reality any way it chooses...(free will) a gift.

However, there is only one absolute divine consciousness--Let this divine will be done --and not your own(ego)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Will
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_the_Law

[labelwench]

Our beautiful planet appears to be hanging in some balance between good and evil, survival and destruction, like some lost child waiting to be rescued.

jag

From my perspective, it is all of mankind that hangs in the balance.

We are the lost children, caught in the balance between good and evil, survival and destruction.

We cannot wait for rescue.

We must seek the light, one by one.

No matter we leave it in tatters, the planet will survive and revive over time.

Suspect that this is one of the great tests of our species. A failing grade has consequences, and perhaps the planet would fare better without us, under the management of the ants maybe ....

Regards,

Labelwench

[SteveA]

From my perspective, it is all of mankind that hangs in the balance.

We are the lost children, caught in the balance between good and evil, survival and destruction.

We cannot wait for rescue.

We must seek the light, one by one.

No matter we leave it in tatters, the planet will survive and revive over time.

That's much the same view as I have.

[jag]

Hi Melanie,

Thank you for the links! Gives me something to look at for a while.

Aleister Crowleys encounter with Aiwass is very interesting to me. I doubt he was schizophrenic so it begs the question-are there "Higher Self" beings or "Messengers" here among us? Maybe they can exist in bodies like ours, born into this life or maybe they can just appear out of the ether which would mean they are hear with us but invisible, just ubserving us and once in a while maybe they throw us a biscuit.

jag

[jag]

From my perspective, it is all of mankind that hangs in the balance.

We are the lost children, caught in the balance between good and evil, survival and destruction.

We cannot wait for rescue.

We must seek the light, one by one.

No matter we leave it in tatters, the planet will survive and revive over time.

Suspect that this is one of the great tests of our species. A failing grade has consequences, and perhaps the planet would fare better without us, under the management of the ants maybe ....

Regards,

Labelwench

Hi Labelwench and SteveA,

We`must either wait for rescue or pull ourselves together and find our own way back home.

One by one is not going to get it done.

I didn't mean that we could actually destroy the whole planet but it seems possible that we could detonate the atmosphere if we set off enough nukes at the same time.

jag

[SteveA]

Hi Labelwench and SteveA,

We`must either wait for rescue or pull ourselves together and find our own way back home.

One by one is not going to get it done.

I didn't mean that we could actually destroy the whole planet but it seems possible that we could detonate the atmosphere if we set off enough nukes at the same time.

jag

One by one should work just fine as that's still potentially everyone.

If people wait for everyone else, then it will likely be noone.

Democracies don't do trailblazing (despite the political propoganda) and only individuals can really decide what's important or not.

The most difficult part historically is over how people or individuals can build themselves a private paradise and keep it from being pillaged. I think the expression "Good fences make good neighbors" can be applicable, but there are usually gray areas (such as testing black hole generators ) where things aren't very simple (but if humanity got to a point where the only disputes were over subtle discrepancies along those gray areas, that's a "win" in my opinion)

[thinking]

The more truth you know the more thruth you are.

Truth is always exempt from our transient and ever changing world. But never dead, always vibrant and radiantly alive. But when truth becomes linked with fact, then both time and space condition it's meanings and correlate it's values. Such realities of truth wedded to fact become concepts and merely relative cosmic realities.

What happens to truth if our facts become clouded?

jag

should not truths though be based on fact in the first place ?

yes

[melanie]

Hi Melanie,

Thank you for the links! Gives me something to look at for a while.

Aleister Crowleys encounter with Aiwass is very interesting to me. I doubt he was schizophrenic so it begs the question-are there "Higher Self" beings or "Messengers" here among us? Maybe they can exist in bodies like ours, born into this life or maybe they can just appear out of the ether which would mean they are hear with us but invisible, just ubserving us and once in a while maybe they throw us a biscuit.

jag

Hi jag.

'Schizophrenic' is an idea, an already known concept in consciousness.
It's not real unless it is believed to be real...(free will)

I AM a schizophrenic and so AM I

THIS was never about the ''messenger''

IT has always been about the 'message'-- YOU are THAT-- AS free conscious expression.

What ever Y'our' thoughts will be -- 'will' appear become manifest.

If the human race 'will' the self-destruction of life on planet earth--- It is only the ''ONE SAME SELF'' destroying life on planet earth as and through 'US'

The choice is Y 'ours' --(free will)

Scary though huh?

What 'we' gonna do about that? ----- food for thought!

Awareness is the key--- awareness is who we are, ultimately awareness looks on in detachment.

= ZERO <<<<<<< (even more food for thought

[jag]

should not truths though be based on fact in the first place ?

yes

Hi thinking,

It is fact that the Tree exists but the Truth is The Tree.

All of the Facts about the Tree just describe the Truth.

We did not create the Tree with or facts.

jag

[jag]

One by one should work just fine as that's still potentially everyone.

If people wait for everyone else, then it will likely be noone.

Democracies don't do trailblazing (despite the political propoganda) and only individuals can really decide what's important or not.

The most difficult part historically is over how people or individuals can build themselves a private paradise and keep it from being pillaged. I think the expression "Good fences make good neighbors" can be applicable, but there are usually gray areas (such as testing black hole generators ) where things aren't very simple (but if humanity got to a point where the only disputes were over subtle discrepancies along those gray areas, that's a "win" in my opinion)

Hi SteveA,


The Pipe



"You are about to begin an adventure of the
People, the Plains Indian People. You probably
have known of these People only by their
whiteman names, as the Cheyenne, the Crow
and the Sioux. Here you will learn to know of
them as they were truly known among the
People, as the Painted Arrow, the Little Black
Eagle, and the Brother People.

The story of these People has at its center and
all around it the story of the Medicine Wheel.
The Medicine Wheel is the very Way of Life of
the People. It is an understanding of the Uni-
verse. It is the Way given to the Peace Chiefs,
our Teachers, and by them to us. The Medicine
Wheel is everything of the People.

The Medicine Wheel is the Living Flame of
the Lodges, and the Great Shield of Truth
written in the Sign of the Water. It is the Heart
and Mind. It is the Song of the Earth. It is the
Star-Fire and the Painted Drum seen only in the
Eyes of Children. It is the Red Pipe of the
Buffalo Gift smoked in the Sacred Mountains,
and it is the Four Arrows of the People's Lodge.
It is our Sun Dance.

The Medicine Wheel Way begins with the
Touching of our Brothers and Sisters. Next it
speaks to us of the Touching of the world
around us, the animals, trees, grasses, and all
other living things. Finally it Teaches us to Sing
the Song of the World, and in this Way to
become Whole People.

Come sit with me, and let us smoke the Pipe
of Peace in understanding. Let us Touch. Let
us, each to the other, be a Gift as is the Buffalo.
Let us be Meat to Nourish each other, that we
all may Grow. Sit here with me, each of you as
you are in your own Perceiving of yourself, as
Mouse, Wolf, Coyote, Weasel, Fox, or Prairie
Bird. Let me See through your Eyes. Let us
Teach each other here in this Great Lodge of the
People, this Sun Dance, of each of the Ways on
this Great Medicine Wheel, our Earth."

from SEVEN ARROWS by Hyemeyohsts Storm

jag