Truth is Timeless

[Graybeard]

Hi Greg,

I belive they are two distinct and separate things. Truth can be isolated from facts but facts need truth to become, in actuality, real concepts.

This is gonna be interesting ...... !!!!

Can you show me a fact that is not true, or a truth that is not a fact ..... ???

Go on, give it a go, I'm really interested ...... lol. If you can, and you can pick 1, or 2, or 3 unbiased posters as judges, I'll send you a six-pack of beer .... but if you can't .... you send me a six-pack.

Done deal ????

cool bananas ... greg

(In the meantime, why don't you fill out your profile with a few facts/truths so that I know who I'm up against, and if your good for the beer ... lolol)

[austintorn@aol.com]

What if all of these concepts are merely illusions? And what we seek is the truth behind the illusions.


Then that "what if" truth would become a truth when it became a fact.

Until then, it is made up and should not be proclaimed as a truth.


Nor does the mechanics of the message matter [illusion/real/projected from real somewhere else/waves/interference patterns/photons]. It is the message that matters, any differences making no difference, being no difference…

Yes, I, too, would love to hear of a truth which is not a fact.

[dleviwing]

Hi Jag;
I know of no truth that is not supported by facts; can you name one for me?

[jag]

This is gonna be interesting ...... !!!!

Can you show me a fact that is not true, or a truth that is not a fact ....

I'll give it a go.

More than happy to buy you a six pack. Have to think about it though.

jag

[Graybeard]

I'm thinking too. Just in case I missed a loophole ... lol.

You could say that the bible is a fact (its existence), but not necessarily true ... but I'm not sure if this is a legal difference

lol ... greg

[jag]

I know of no truth that is not supported by facts;

That is why you fail.

jag

[dleviwing]

That is why you fail.

That’s about what the priest said when he asked me not to return to religious instructions. I’m quite happy to fail your new definition of truth, jag.

[austintorn@aol.com]

That is why you fail.

Jag, you might stick to the discussion of the ideas… and not worry about anyone's personal salvation or not…

(Besides, there is no "falling" or failure of a person for a truth which is not a fact.)

Remember, a flawed concept of good can be the root of 'evil' perceived.

— St. Austin

[jag]

I’m quite happy to fail your new definition of truth, jag.

I would not presume to define the truth LOL.

[Graybeard]

I would not presume to define truth.

I don't know how you can claim that !!

You did it in your opening post of this thread, just a few posts back .. lol

The more truth you know the more thruth you are.

Truth is:
.. always exempt from our transient and ever changing world.
.. But never dead,
.. always vibrant
.. and radiantly alive.
.. But when truth becomes linked with fact, then both time and space condition it's meanings and correlate it's values.

Such realities of truth wedded to fact become concepts and merely relative cosmic realities.

cool bananas ... greg