Truth is Timeless

[AntonioLao]

A Mathematical view of Absolute Truth may not be completely acurate

What about logically accurate?

[everymansmedium]

What about logically accurate?

There is a difference between logically accurate and truth.
That difference is that logic is a tool we use to predict the future. That logic is a function of our imagination that we use to predict the probable outcome of our actions before we act on them. Once we act on them the result becomes history and that history is the truth. The outcome of our actions are tried in our imagination before we exercise our free will to act or not to act. Once we act the creation has happened.

The truth is history. We do not know what the truth is until it happens. When the concept of truth is applied to anything that is yet to happen it is relative to some belief system that claims to know of history before it has happened.

All things that have not yet happened can only be related to probability.

John EMM

[jag]

What about logically accurate?

Hi Antonio,

Logically Accurate is Precise.

It is the best we can do.

jag

[SteveA]

There is a difference between logically accurate and truth.
That difference is that logic is a tool we use to predict the future. That logic is a function of our imagination that we use to predict the probable outcome of our actions before we act on them. Once we act on them the result becomes history and that history is the truth. The outcome of our actions are tried in our imagination before we exercise our free will to act or not to act. Once we act the creation has happened.

Creation may be earlier than an action, if action includes thought. At a minimum, I think you need a logical/deterministic set of relationships between you and an object in order for it to appear with persistent properties and remain a specific thing. So if there is such a persistency to thought then it should also be similar to a creative act.

I was going to question that history is truth because I don't know if history is accurately represented or remembered, but then again if logic has any use, something has to be assumed to be true and that truth upon which it is based would appear to have to be knowledge (though possibly not all knowledge is acquired via. a history). So truth could still be seen as arising from a subjective perception of history.

The truth is history. We do not know what the truth is until it happens. When the concept of truth is applied to anything that is yet to happen it is relative to some belief system that claims to know of history before it has happened.

All things that have not yet happened can only be related to probability.

John EMM

Sounds right, and those probabilities would arise from assumptions regarding the persistence of properties extracted from history.

To make correlations to physics - the logic or computation appears to be physical laws. The history or memory is space, though this also dependent upon the perceptions of objects and their ordering in space relative to an observer. (Consider that photons don't possess information regarding their age or the distance they're travelled, so distances are subjective constructed and fundamentally it would appear that the manner of this distinct is over a serial ordering - objective reality appears to arise from a serial reordering according to cause and effect for an objective time and time subjectively is just the order that objects/experiences were encountered, so it would appear the manner to best determine the objective properties of the universe are to warp/wrap/fold/convert etc. a subjective timeline into an objective representation of the cause-effect ordering behind those observations - string theory, but with a single string and an unlimited number of dimensions).

[melanie]

Hi Mel,

I Love you too Sweetie Pie.

Just glad to be here right now.

I've been trying to follow my conscience and
it's starting to feel pretty good!

jag

I'm so happy, that following your conscience is starting to feel good for you jag.

Trust me, when we let go of the reins,(the power to control that which we can not control)
y(our) life will appear to come together as a beautiful harmonious divine synchronised crescendo.
This is also known as divine providence, and it's a free gift to all of us right NOW, it is our birthright, if only we knew it
Many are now waking up to that realization.

I'm living proof that this is not some idealized dream.
NO, It appears as an abundantly self evident reality.
If it can be for me, then it can be for all of us.
It's all a matter of shifting our focus and our perspectives.

Other's cannot help you, you can only help yourself, by helping yourself, you automatically help others --(the mirroring effect

Anyway, It pleases me to have communion with other's who are waking up to the dream.
We are always free to free ourselves from the matrix...
and to know that we were never bound or limited at all,
because in reality, we are all aspects of the one eternal boundless spirit, free to be what ever it want's to be.
__________


And here just for you jag, as i know you'll appreciate it....

There is the dream, and there is the dreamer of the dream.
The dream is a short-lived play of forms.
It is the world-relatively real but not absolutely real.
Then there is the dreamer, the absolute reality in which the forms come and go.
The dreamer is not the person.
The person is part of the dream.
The dreamer is the substratum in which the dream appears, that which makes the dream possible.
It is the absolute behind the relative.
The timeless behind time.
The consciousness in and behind form.
The dreamer is consciousness itself-who you are.

Bless you jag, your presence is of an exuberantly high vibration.

We can only SEE ---- THAT what we know and understand.

[jag]

I'm so happy, that following your conscience is starting to feel good for you jag.

Trust me, when we let go of the reins,(the power to control that which we can not control)
y(our) life will appear to come together as a beautiful harmonious divine synchronised crescendo.
This is also known as divine providence, and it's a free gift to all of us right NOW, it is our birthright, if only we knew it
Many are now waking up to that realization.

I'm living proof that this is not some idealized dream.
NO, It appears as an abundantly self evident reality.
If it can be for me, then it can be for all of us.
It's all a matter of shifting our focus and our perspectives.

Other's cannot help you, you can only help yourself, by helping yourself, you automatically help others --(the mirroring effect

Anyway, It pleases me to have communion with other's who are waking up to the dream.
We are always free to free ourselves from the matrix...
and to know that we were never bound or limited at all,
because in reality, we are all aspects of the one eternal boundless spirit, free to be what ever it want's to be.
__________


And here just for you jag, as i know you'll appreciate it....

There is the dream, and there is the dreamer of the dream.
The dream is a short-lived play of forms.
It is the world-relatively real but not absolutely real.
Then there is the dreamer, the absolute reality in which the forms come and go.
The dreamer is not the person.
The person is part of the dream.
The dreamer is the substratum in which the dream appears, that which makes the dream possible.
It is the absolute behind the relative.
The timeless behind time.
The consciousness in and behind form.
The dreamer is consciousness itself-who you are.

Bless you jag, your presence is of an exuberantly high vibration.

We can only SEE ---- THAT what we know and understand.

Hi Melanie,

Thank you so much for that beautiful post.
I wish I could return the favor but I'm not
very computer literate.

You are my Guru. The essential divine
reality of the Universe; the eternal spirit
from which all being originates and to which
all returns.

Shiva has come to destroy the perplexity in
our minds and give birth to Simplicity again.

What better massenger than a simple man like me.

Gravity is a push. The SWDKWII can be controlled
to reveal the true nature of Creation.

Let the Simple Truth shine bright.

jag

[jag]

There is a difference between logically accurate and truth.
That difference is that logic is a tool we use to predict the future. That logic is a function of our imagination that we use to predict the probable outcome of our actions before we act on them. Once we act on them the result becomes history and that history is the truth. The outcome of our actions are tried in our imagination before we exercise our free will to act or not to act. Once we act the creation has happened.

The truth is history. We do not know what the truth is until it happens. When the concept of truth is applied to anything that is yet to happen it is relative to some belief system that claims to know of history before it has happened.

All things that have not yet happened can only be related to probability.

John EMM

Hi John EMM,

So you believe we are creating this Universe as we go along. When everyone thought that the world was flat, it actually was flat until someone came along and acted on the logic that it is round and so on, and so on until today when we have created this far flung Cosmos of Galaxies. I think you give us to much credit. We cannot create the Truth, We can only discover the Truth.

The Absolute Truth is Timeless, never changing. It has always been there for us to reach for.

If we discover some new paradigm that will move us to a greater understanding of this Universe we didn't create it,
it was there and we found it. (IMHO)

jag

[melanie]

Hi jag

Thought you and anyone else interested, might like to watch these videos.
-worth a curious ponder at least.


(Part 1 of 2) This 1 hr program presents geo-physical evidence that seems to firmly suggest that the Earth is not 4 billion years old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jof6O...eature=related


It takes two to speak truth -- one to speak and another to hear.
~ Thoreau

[SteveA]

It may not be as disconnected (nor as large) as it appears either:

http://www.fractaluniverse.org/laminated_cosmos.php
http://www3.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw/NOF.HTM

[melanie]

Thanks Steve, for fractal info, i'll read that article when i get home from work later today.

-certainly,nature itself is showing us all the time in front of our nose, it's fractal essence in all its manifestations.

The plot thickens.

http://www.prophetsmanual.com/conten...vID=4&itemID=4


New channels....same ageless TV