Truth is Timeless

[jag]

Magic was the branch off the evolutionary religious tree which eventually bore the fruit of a scientific age. Belief in astrology led to the development of astronomy, belief in a philosophers stone led to the mastery of metals, while belief in magic numbers founded the science of mathematics.

Scientists may measure the energy, or force manifestations of graviation, light, and electricity, but these same scientists can never (scientifically) tell you what these universe phenomena are. When Einstein saw the warp in space time he did not see gravity, he saw the effect gravity has on space time. The T.O.E. will be realized when we have a better understanding of what gravity actually is.

Science deals with physical-energy activities; religion deals with eternal values. There always exists the danger that the purley physical scientist may become afflicted with mathematical pride and statistical egotism, not to mention spiritual blindness.

Science lives by the mathematics of the mind. Religious experience is something in human life which is truly supermathematical.

"The entire science of mathematics, the whole domain of philosophy, the highest physics or chemistry, could not predict or know that the union of two gaseous hydrogen atoms with one gaseous oxygen atom would result in a new and qualitatively superadditive substance--liquid water. The understanding knowledge of this one physiochemical phenomenon should have prevented the development of materalistic philosophy and mechanistic cosmology."

jag

[melanie]

Scientists may measure the energy, or force manifestations of graviation, light, and electricity, but these same scientists can never (scientifically) tell you what these universe phenomena are. When Einstein saw the warp in space time he did not see gravity, he saw the effect gravity has on space time. The T.O.E. will be realized when we have a better understanding of what gravity actually is.

Science deals with physical-energy activities; religion deals with eternal values. There always exists the danger that the purley physical scientist may become afflicted with mathematical pride and statistical egotism, not to mention spiritual blindness.


jag

The universe is very ordered, and behaves in a way that is far from haphazard.
Scientist are always looking for the mathematical formula that will solve it's mysteries.
Mathematics requires order and we are not separate from the universe therefore the life we are living must come from order,
from a mathematical equation.

Whether we ever find the equation is not important,
what is important is to know that we are the creators of our circumstances and environment
and that we are the only ones who can change them if that is what we need or want to be done.

For example: The concepts War or Peace are only applicable when there is a ''thinker'' ? otherwise neither concept exist.

This misery that I am suffering is of my own doing, and that very thing proves that it will have to be undone by me alone.

That which I created, I can demolish, that which is created by someone else, I shall never be able to destroy.
Therefore, stand up, be bold, be strong.

Take the whole responsibility on your own shoulders, and know that you are the creator of your own destiny.
All the strength and succor you want is within yourselves.

'' Let the dead bury the dead. '' ~Jesus

Sorry for going off on another metaphysical tangent jag

Btw, I think gravity is an invisible force, called Love. She's got curves ..
You can't see it, you can only feel it, and it is sucking you in right now, like the in-breath ...lol

[melanie]

It's easier to understand if you don'tn try to measure it in time.

Yes, it is.

Time is measure - no measure, no time.


To my mind the criteria for Truth needs to shift from what is observable/measurable- to 'what doesn't change'.

= Truth is Timeless High 5 jag! ....

[jag]

Yes, it is.

Time is measure - no measure, no time.


To my mind the criteria for Truth needs to shift from what is observable/measurable- to 'what doesn't change'.

= Truth is Timeless High 5 jag! ....

Hi Melanie

Think of "it" as a tree...each discipline of science and religion is a branch of the tree...God is the tree...so really science and religion are pieces of God; reflections of pieces of timeless truth that help us to see and know the tree itself...in 3D.

Our evolution is still under way and our understanding of the universe through science and religion is moving in a positive direction...it's just that sometimes I wish it would move a little faster and I think it could if science and religion worked more closely together.

As far as what "it"is that causes the warp in space time we call gravity or what is light or electricity or God. Maybe that should be left up to religion to make the connection...although understanding dark matter will help science take a giant step closer.

Science and religion need to work together if we are to find the TOE.

No ability to tie in the timeless aspects of the universe=no UFT.

It's going to take a little faith.

"God is great , Beer is good....and people are crazy."

jag

[MJA]

TOE: God is a religious name for the infinitely powerful and infinitely timeless or measureless nature of everything that science continues to measure and prefers to call the Universe which includes not only One or All, but equally you and me.

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MJA

[labelwench]

TOE: God is a religious name for the infinitely powerful and infinitely timeless or measureless nature of everything that science continues to measure and prefers to call the Universe which includes not only One or All, but equally you and me.

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MJA

The Life Force within all things........
.........however we choose to name or celebrate it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwzItqYmII

I celebrate nature, as I feel I am a part of it, yet I respect that others hold different views.

This song was playing on the car radio, driving in to work this morning, and so I place it here....

[jag]

12/21/12 How could the Mayans have known of a cosmic event that happens only once every 26,000 years? They had no advanced math or telescopes...maybe it was the mushrooms that unlocked this truth. Also, this end of their calander (in their prophecies) has been associated with terrible things even the end of the world. I don't believe in coincidences...The fact that we are on the verge of a global depression, a couple of wars goin on and oil madness to the point we may have killed the Gulf of Mexico was somehow predictable, is truth. What was the conduit for this truth? Where did it come from? Maybe it is vibrations in the Dark Matter and we just have to tune it in.

jag

[cosvis]

Hi Jag and all.
I do not know how the Majans were able to work out their time table and their predictions; may be they had some "Einsteins" among their thinkers. But you raised a good question: how religion and science can complement each other. I like to think about it like this: there exists only one reality that includes the physical reality, the rational and the personal or spiritual realities. Thus total reality can be viewed from three different aspects, the physical, the rational and the spiritual. Each specific branch of reality uses common logic but they also have their specific mode of examination of realty. The physical sciences examines physical reality what can been perceived through the senses and it uses logic, mathematical and physical principles to understand it. The rational sciences uses mainly logical principles but it would include metaphysical and philosophical principles and would include the fine arts, history, and law. The spiritual or personal sciences uses logic and revelations of the infinite personal being, commonly called God, as can be perceived in nature and religious revelations as found in sacred scriptures and history of lives of holy men and women. While all the three branches of sciences examines the same total reality but from different aspects, they must be in harmony because there exists only one reality. If there arises conflicts of understandings or opinions, the fault lays with us and not with reality, and we have an obligation to continue to examine and study reality, while respecting the dignity and opinions of others.
Yours cosvis.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Anyone stating the personal, religious and spiritual are sciences, should not be respected__they are beliefs and dogmas, not sciences...

[austintorn@aol.com]

The Inertia plowed through the Karma that ran over the Dogma.