Truth is Timeless

[jag]

I'm sure they will get that intro going with some Hubble shots in plenty of time before the date.

If I have the date wrong please forgive me, but when the instant happens it will be a good thing to be open to change. Nothing to serious, maybe a 180 degree rotation, and a small translation, a small rewire job. No biggie.

The Best,

jag

[SteveA]

It's all good, Jag

I think I missed a few of these before, but at a minimum it'll be fun figuratively pulling out the all radar dishes and running the latest, greatest detection, spread spectrum and cross-correlation algorithms. Heck, I might as well get out an ole set of rabbit ears running on UHF too ... just in case! We'll see if we can get a nice 5 by 5 signal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_by_five

Catcha later!
Steve

[jag]

I'm sure they will get that intro going with some Hubble shots in plenty of time before the date.

If I have the date wrong please forgive me. But when the instant happens, I think, it will be a good thing to be open to change. Nothing to serious, maybe a 180 degree rotation, a small translation, a small rewire job...no biggie.

The best,

jag

[jag]

It's all good, Jag

I think I missed a few of these before, but at a minimum it'll be fun figuratively pulling out the all radar dishes and running the latest, greatest detection, spread spectrum and cross-correlation algorithms. Heck, I might as well get out an ole set of rabbit ears running on UHF too ... just in case! We'll see if we can get a nice 5 by 5 signal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_by_five

Catcha later!
Steve

Sorry about the double post!

I think it is all good as well...It's an exciting time to be alive.

"5 by 5"

jag

[jag]

It seemed like the 10 billion dollar LHC was going
to provide us evidence and prove that the BBTOC
(the big bag theory of creation) is correct. I think the
science community expected more than what they
have so far and now it's..."the data will take years to
analyze, and what we are looking for may be there
but we haven't found it yet."

I think we are all used to hearing science say
"we are wrong, but we have it figured out now"
and that is great!...that's how we move forward.

I think it's time for science to take a look at the very real
possibility that the BBTOC is not correct. That would
help in the analysis of the LHC data too.

I think it is likely that the BBTOC is a false model.
It has been around for only a small amount of time
but it's time for it to go.

I have suggested an alternative...instead of everything
starting at the smallest possible space, that everything was
contained in and exploded out toward 3D then 4D and
infinity....start at infinity and collapse toward 4D, then
3D and finally the creation of an atom!
Then you will see that the universe is much older
than we now think. The weight of the dark matter
coming in is gravity. It's being pulled in by the earth and
it's pushing on me.

It's being pulled in by me too, but to a lessor degree.
Meanwhile the dark matter being pulled in by the sun is the largest degree,
to anything that matters to me.

Slow it down and take a look at it from the other way around.

jag

[labelwench]

An interesting perspective, Jag.

There are so many directions from which to seek the answer to the TOE.

If some directions are not yielding results after a considerable time of pursuit, there is no reason that we should not pursue our goal from many directions simultaneously.

Results may accrue from the most unusual of starting points, or so has been my experience.

[cosvis]

Hi jag and all,
You have some good ideas and I certainly agree with you that the BBTOC (big bang theory of creation) is a great error that prevents us to come to a clearer understanding of the TOE (theory of everything). Religion and physical science are two different aspects of reality and they have to be treated separately; however, one compliments the other and both have to be logical and are certainly not contradictionary. I believe, science has to start with what we know to be true. I agree with you that Newton and Einstein advanced our understanding of physical science, seen from the third and fourth dimensions of physical reality; and most scientists would accepted the validity of their theories. The BBTOC assumption that the whole universe blasted into existence is unfounded. I prefer to take the asumption that at the beginning of the evolutionary process of the universe there existed only finite energy or light because energy cannot be created or distroyed, and the universal evolutionary laws according to which the universe evolved and is still evolving. It is our task to get a better understanding of these physical laws that will help us to get a clearer vision of reality, or a clearer vision of the TOE.
Yours cosvis.

[SteveA]

...Religion and physical science are two different aspects of reality and they have to be treated separately; however, one compliments the other and both have to be logical and are certainly not contradictionary.

Yes, one side digs down searching for hard truths and comes back up, bumping into the unknowns. The other searches the unknown and bumps into hard truths ... life is sandwhiched somewhere in the middle.

I believe, science has to start with what we know to be true.

It does appear to be a problem that many things considered to be well proven and true are only true within very limited contexts (if even that, though I tend to believe there're always truths to be found in most anything - even if it's not in a literal translation).

There do appear to be some significant holes in the manner in which infinity is often treated mathematically and this carries over to many physical theories as well.

I prefer to take the asumption that at the beginning of the evolutionary process of the universe there existed only finite energy or light because energy cannot be created or distroyed, and the universal evolutionary laws according to which the universe evolved and is still evolving. It is our task to get a better understanding of these physical laws that will help us to get a clearer vision of reality, or a clearer vision of the TOE.
Yours cosvis.

The (known) universe could be the view of a finite, though potentially growing window viewing something infinite - the mismatch could appear as time or continual change.

[jag]

Results may accrue from the most unusual of starting points, or so has been my experience.

Hi labelwench

I'm glad you are o.k. after your fall and can get by on ibuprofen. My wife was in a car crash a year ago and they had her on, it think it was, percocet (hillbilly heroin) and that stuff made her way to honest. I think if everyone said what was on their minds all the time there would be no end to trouble.

If what I see is an unending finite reality, beginning at my unusual starting point, and it is the same thing we are all looking at, then we need real scientists (which I am not) to look at it from my perspective. I think it will all, soon, sound very familiar.

Like the country music song writer (Gary P. Nunn) sang...."Don't be concerned if this song sounds familiar"

"Love of adventure, curiosity, and dread of monotony...
these traits inherent in evolving human nature....were not
put there just to aggravate and annoy you during your
short sojourn on earth, but rather to suggest to you
that death is only the beginning of an endless career
of adventure, an everlasting life of anticipation, an eternal
voyage of discovery."

jag

[jag]

I prefer to take the asumption that at the beginning of the evolutionary process of the universe there existed only finite energy or light because energy cannot be created or distroyed, and the universal evolutionary laws according to which the universe evolved and is still evolving. It is our task to get a better understanding of these physical laws that will help us to get a clearer vision of reality, or a clearer vision of the TOE.
Yours cosvis.

Hi cosvis

Since there is no beginning, no infinite, the finite amount of energy that existed at creation was as close to an infinite amount of energy as we can imagine....dark energy. As dark energy moves toward dark matter and matter, light, among other things, is produced.

jag